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Re: Festive Football Chat : Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:10 pm  
Interesting to see whether there was any encroachment when West Ham had their pen. I don't believe for a second there wasn't because it happens for every pen and nobody's paid any attention until our pen today.

Even when Lampard took the third there was half a dozen Spammers in the box and Drogba had gone in the box as well.

Total joke.

Don't even think it was a pen, but they got away with two in the first half so it's partially evened up.

Thought we were poor again today. We should leave Joe Cole at Upton Park today as a gift to the travelling friends. He's only ever been decent for us when Jose was ruling him with an iron fist.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:32 pm  
Figures, a team who have won 5 on the bounce come to Goodison and park the bus in front of goal.

And after seeing the replay, Saha's "goal" was fine....although that doesn't surprise me, that linesman was bloody useless all game.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:04 pm  
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In reality, only those of us who watch City week in, week out really know where it was going wrong

I'm not sure he's the ideal appointment. In honesty, I'm seriously underwhelmed by it all but I do know it's better than we had before and let's see how January goes first and foremost. I fancy a major overhaul of the back four is in the offing and the likes of Toure, Sylvinho and maybe Bridge will be consigned to the dustbin.


Doing away games again now are we? :wink:

I think he will be a good appointment. If city would've gone for Mourinho the already high expectation levels would have gone through the roof.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:19 pm  
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Figures, a team who have won 5 on the bounce come to Goodison and park the bus in front of goal.

And after seeing the replay, Saha's "goal" was fine....although that doesn't surprise me, that linesman was bloody useless all game.



I remember back in 06/07 I think it was, a side beat us 3-0 just a few months before, only to turn up and build the great wall of China at Anfield...
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:49 am  
Wigan v Bolton doubtful due to elf and safety concerns outside the stadium
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:23 pm  
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Wigan v Bolton doubtful due to elf and safety concerns outside the stadium

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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:34 pm  
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Postponed - due to safety reasons

Half glad to be honest. Didn't fancy freezing my crackers off tonight.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:36 pm  
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Doing away games again now are we? :wink:


The only two away games that have not been live on TV this season (Blackburn and Bolton), I attended. :wink:
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:22 pm  
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I just wonder, one day, whether Hughes will look back and see Kolo Toure as being largely responsible for his downfall? He bestowed the title of captain upon him and he has let him down in every area including leadership, command of his defence and not least his comical defending.


He’s been terrible. He seems to make the other defenders panic too. IMO our best partnership would be Lescott and Nedum.


In my book, the sale of Dunne and the pig-headed insistance on keeping the partnership of Toure and Lescott together, to justify his expenditure, has certainly been the major factor.


TBF Dunne was arguably the worst centre-half in the Prem last season, and, in general, he was pathetic for the latter half of Sven’s time at the club. He had to go.

I like Lescott. I think he will go on to be a key player for City. He has had two poor games but reading reports, he has had to miss quite a bit of training this season because of injury.


However, the strange substitutions, the inability to motivate the big guns such as Robinho and Adebayor and the tactical naivety have all played their part.



Strange substitutions? You will generally find that fans think the manager of their club makes strange substitution decisions. It’s a widespread whinge made by supporters. What supporters don’t know, are the reasons behind the decisions. For example, the player may be running out of steam or have picked-up a knock. Is the player recovering from illness. Not to mention the tactical issues that supporters don’t understand. If management was so easy, I would be doing it.

IMO Adebayor looks annoyed with the tactics or the fact that his teammates are not carrying out instructions. Against Spurs, Given was kicking the ball to areas 20 or 30 metres away from where Adebayor was. Also, we seem to be getting into the habit of lumping it up to Adebayor but no-one is running beyond him. It’s therefore even a waste of time him challenging for the header as he outnumbered and he can hardly flick it on for himself while being challenged.

I have to disagree with Cibaman. Robinho can handle the physicality as he has great feet and balance. His problem is that he doesn’t have it in him to get a grip of a game. He needs teammates to do the donkey work for him.

Again, re the issue of tactics, I am unsure. Managers know a lot more than we do. It’s not as if we can see something they can’t. I am unsure what happened against Spurs. In the first 35 minutes I could not see Spurs scoring. They only had one attacking outlet. Our defenders pushed up to the half-way line as Defoe and Crouch did not have the pace to beat Onouha and Toure. It also brought into play Onouha if they tried firing the over-the-top ball to Lennon. Onouha could deal with his pace. In that first 35 minutes, Barry was helping out Sylvinho in dealing with Lennon. Spurs scored, and then suddenly, we started defending deeper and Barry was no longer helping out Sylvinho. Was Barry covering because Robinho ignored instructions to track-back? Did Barry simply think he has to play in a more attacking role and leave Sylvinho to his own devices? Was that a Hughes instruction or did Barry make that decision? Goodness knows.

Fans will often moan about the tactics of managers. United fans sometimes moan about Ferguson’s tactics and some Liverpool fans moan about Benitez’s tactics. Let’s just say the fans are right in criticising Ferguson and Benitez. Well if Ferguson and Benitez makes mistakes then we have to accept that the likes of Hughes will make mistakes too. I am wary about criticising the tactics of managers because they understand the game far more than we fans do.


Just out of interest – have you heard the rumours that Adebayor and Toure were essentially Brian Marwood signings that were reluctantly accepted by Hughes. Not sure how true it is.


I am not overjoyed with the appointment of Mancini. However, I am happy with Brian Kidd appointment. He is apparently an excellent coach. The question is though: how will Kidd and Mancini get on? I have a feeling it’s a short-term appointment.
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Re: Festive Football Chat : Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:05 pm  
Mancini having an interpreter for the press conference. Does this mean he can't speak a word of the queen's?

Apparently Hiddink would of been interested in the City job had they been prepared to wait. He would surely of been a more inspiring choice?
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