Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:42 pm  

andym1988 wrote:

Went for a nap and didn't expect that whatsoever. Fair play to Tsonga, he has beaten both Nadal and Federer on grass within the past few weeks, I'll have to start giving him more credit.

The 50/1 I got before Wimbledon is looking better now

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:35 am  

Two really good semi finals in store. It should be a Nadal - Djokovic final but Murray and Tsonga are both capable of beating their men. Don't think either game will be done in straight sets.

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:59 am  

Sharapova v Lisicki today will be rather nice on the eye

With regard to Murrey I can't see him getting past Nedal and if he does he will just get tanked by Djokovic in a final again.

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:15 am  

Neither Nadal or Djokovic have played particularly brilliantly this tournament so Murray IMO has a better chance of beating one or both of them. He'll still get labelled a "choker" and get the usual "ooh he's sh.it" comments if he does lose to either of them though even though he's ranked below them both. It's the British way.

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Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:16 am  

Ordsall Quays Red wrote:

Neither Nadal or Djokovic have played particularly brilliantly this tournament so Murray IMO has a better chance of beating one or both of them. He'll still get labelled a "choker" and get the usual "ooh he's sh.it" comments if he does lose to either of them though even though he's ranked below them both. It's the British way.

And rightly so! You state yourself that he has a better chance of beating either of them this year as they haven't played well so far - so if he doesn't beat them, surely he has choked, again, in the face of a grand slam victory when it seems chances of winning are better than losing???

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:33 am  

So if Nadal and/or Djokovic manage to play fabulous tennis, up there with their best, and beat him in the sembo or final (as Djokovic did in Australia) then he's still going to have choked?? Bizarre logic.

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:47 am  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

And rightly so! You state yourself that he has a better chance of beating either of them this year as they haven't played well so far - so if he doesn't beat them, surely he has choked, again, in the face of a grand slam victory when it seems chances of winning are better than losing???

Choking to me is failing to produce anything like your best form due to pressure.

Not sure how many times you would say Murray has played in the last four of Grand Slams and not produced something like his best form - it's just not been good enough to beat players who are better than him, not just on that day but on most days.

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:34 pm  

Mike Oxlong wrote:

And rightly so! You state yourself that he has a better chance of beating either of them this year as they haven't played well so far - so if he doesn't beat them, surely he has choked, again, in the face of a grand slam victory when it seems chances of winning are better than losing???

The point is that they haven't played well, Nadal could turn up tomorrow and play the best tennis of his career, we just don't know. It's pathetic how people say Murray chokes or is shiote when he's playing behind the best two mens players ever imo, Nadal and Federer are unbelievably good players. As Djokovic is class too, you only have look back at last few years Grand Slams to realise how good Nadal and Federer are.

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:23 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

The point is that they haven't played well, Nadal could turn up tomorrow and play the best tennis of his career, we just don't know. It's pathetic how people say Murray chokes or is shiote when he's playing behind the best two mens players ever imo, Nadal and Federer are unbelievably good players. As Djokovic is class too, you only have look back at last few years Grand Slams to realise how good Nadal and Federer are.

Exactly mate. Even if Murray does go on to beat one or both of them he'll most probably have to endure the "he only won because Nadal and/or Djokovic weren't playing well" jibes.

Re: Wimbledon - 2011 : Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:05 pm  

Its the British way. The bandwagon culture makes things even worse, as people that know nothing about the sport will label a player/team as sh*t because they got beaten just so they can voice their opinion like everyone else.