Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:57 am  

Mark wrote:

Love it when you post.

Welbeck 9 in 23 starts
Racist 11 in 29 starts.
Carol 7 all season.

Welbeck has also scored more than any other striker in the squad apart from Rooney. Questioning the goal return of a 21 year old striker who has alot to learn after only two seasons, when your own team has two strikers who cost a combined £58 million who are biz, is awesome. As for people not wanting to play for their country?

Jamie Carragher anyone?

Priceless.

So you're not counting substiute apperances then? He can score once he comes on you know. 9 goals in 30 appearances. Comparing Suarez and Carroll isn't really a good comparison. Your team finished second, he should of scored more goals than he did, alot more. We finished seventh, hardly a comparison is it.

Like I said, I'm not really that bothered about England, just pointing out why Carrick hasn't been chosen to those who are asking.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:17 am  

I don't rate Henderson that highly, but some of the flack he's been getting is pretty harsh. His game is still growing but the lad has potential, he's got a bit of everything and he's more gifted athletically than a lot of the recent midfielders we've produced (Carrick, Lampard, Barry etc.). Some others might have deserved a place more (can't comment on Britton and isn't Allen Welsh?), but Osman is an average player at best. I'd rather see England take a young player like Henderson, give him the experience and hope it helps him by the next world cup, than take a plodder like Osman who won't play and won't play at the next world cup.

Henderson has potential to be a pretty decent player one day, he has attributes but he's still limited and hasn't quite found his role. I'd much rather see the national side give younger players a chance than waste their time with dross.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:25 am  

Roddy B wrote:

I don't rate Henderson that highly, but some of the flack he's been getting is pretty harsh. His game is still growing but the lad has potential, he's got a bit of everything and he's more gifted athletically than a lot of the recent midfielders we've produced (Carrick, Lampard, Barry etc.). Some others might have deserved a place more (can't comment on Britton and isn't Allen Welsh?), but Osman is an average player at best. I'd rather see England take a young player like Henderson, give him the experience and hope it helps him by the next world cup, than take a plodder like Osman who won't play and won't play at the next world cup.

Henderson has potential to be a pretty decent player one day, he has attributes but he's still limited and hasn't quite found his role. I'd much rather see the national side give younger players a chance than waste their time with dross.

Typical biased Red She-ite. You really do not have a clue.

FWIW, as a Scot, I am delighted Henderson has been called up. He is utterly piss-flaps.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:20 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

Typical biased Red She-ite. You really do not have a clue.

FWIW, as a Scot, I am delighted Henderson has been called up. He is utterly piss-flaps.

Steady on Rob Roy. Whilst I too, cannot see Henderson as any great shakes, the reality is, he is one of a few English young players to be available. Look at the central midfield for England; all thirty plus. In two years time Henderson may have established himself a more defined role at Liverpool which would push him forward in the England reckoning. It is hardly like we have an embarassment of riches, is it.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:25 pm  

We should have taken Joey Barton.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:32 pm  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

So you're not counting substiute apperances then? He can score once he comes on you know. 9 goals in 30 appearances. Comparing Suarez and Carroll isn't really a good comparison. Your team finished second, he should of scored more goals than he did, alot more. We finished seventh, hardly a comparison is it.

Like I said, I'm not really that bothered about England, just pointing out why Carrick hasn't been chosen to those who are asking.

League placing means absolutely nothing in terms of goals scored? Surely it would be chance conversion rate? I'm sure you will know that Welbeck get's asked to play outwide from time to time as well. How many did Danny Graham score? 12 goals? Must be better than Suarez then. Surely Suarez should be scoring more in a team that finished 7th. Classic LTS.


Keep posting.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:45 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Steady on Rob Roy. Whilst I too, cannot see Henderson as any great shakes, the reality is, he is one of a few English young players to be available. Look at the central midfield for England; all thirty plus. In two years time Henderson may have established himself a more defined role at Liverpool which would push him forward in the England reckoning. It is hardly like we have an embarassment of riches, is it.

Carrick should have been playing more regularly but the media obsession with joe-average players like Scott Parker has led him to play less games than he should have done, which is why he cannot be bothered. They did the same to Scholes when they refused to split up fat Frank and Gerrard.

Henderson is awful and the picking of players like him show exactly why England will not be dining out at the top tables for quite some time.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:14 pm  

Gutted that Rodgers has persuaded Liverpool to ditch their DoF "system", because I thought that would have been as successful as their signing of Joe Cole and the interview process for their new manager.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:22 pm  

Liverpool finished 8th, not 7th.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:06 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Gutted that Rodgers has persuaded Liverpool to ditch their DoF "system", because I thought that would have been as successful as their signing of Joe Cole and the interview process for their new manager.

Don't think he's got them to change anything. Since Comolli (and the many others) were sacked, the plan has always been to bring people in to oversee specific roles. That is still happening, I guess the owners have just assured Rodgers that it won't be one single person pulling the strings, instead a 'group' or 'committee' of people making collective decisions, instead of just one man's judgment being trusted to invest X amount of millions.