Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 5:37 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Private limited liability companies are not governed by the same regulations and expectations as a plc though so it is important to make that distinction. As limited liability companies are not exposed to the stock exchange/trading their commitment to profit can be managed more easily than it can with a plc. A plc is required to produce profit which usually they are asked to maximise whereas a limited company does not have to be seen to be maximising profits in the same way. Sure, they will want to make a profit, however I would argue that they are more free to pursue their own agenda as well, which may include just being successful. It's an important distinction.

Fsg are probably under more pressure than most listed companies to make a profit because they invest the money of wealthy individuals that expect high returns. They do not invest for any other reason than to make money

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 6:09 pm  

John_D wrote:

There's no reason the sporting director/coach model can't work anywhere. There's no reason the 'English' model can't either - Felix Magath winning the league with Wolfsburg, for example. It's horses for courses innit.

Well said. I think either model can work, but you only have to look at clubs like Udinese and Porto to see how well DoFs/'transfer gurus' can work. Like any system/structure, if you have the right people in place, it will always work well. Clubs like United and Arsenal will say they wouldn't be where they are now without their managers and their manager's signings, but then I imagine a lot of clubs in Italy/Spain would say they that the DoFs are the reason they've maintained stability despite managers leaving.

I've read a lot on DoFs and a lot of it seems to come down to a different interpretation of the role of a manager. English coaches are 'lazier', they let their coaches do more of the work, instead preferring to get involved with signing players and going to watch players abroad - they act more like DoFs themselves. In other countries, the manager is expected to be out with the players, hammering home tactics and preparing his side as best as possible, whilst a dedicated person scouts and signs players. However, it isn't as simple as it seems, they will both be in dialogue so there's an understanding about style of player wanted and so on; it's simply to maximise results from scouting, whilst maximising the performance of the manager who's spending more time with his players.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 6:33 pm  

McClennan wrote: Private limited liability companies are not governed by the same regulations and expectations as a plc though so it is important to make that distinction. As limited liability companies are not exposed to the stock exchange/trading their commitment to profit can be managed more easily than it can with a plc. A plc is required to produce profit which usually they are asked to maximise whereas a limited company does not have to be seen to be maximising profits in the same way. Sure, they will want to make a profit, however I would argue that they are more free to pursue their own agenda as well, which may include just being successful. It's an important distinction. it seems that LFC , owned by Fenway Sports Group operates under the british company UKSV Holdings Co. Ltd. which it appears, is actually a PLC after all... http://www.cdrex.com/uksv-holdings-comp ... 86906.html

McClennan wrote: Private limited liability companies are not governed by the same regulations and expectations as a plc though so it is important to make that distinction. As limited liability companies are not exposed to the stock exchange/trading their commitment to profit can be managed more easily than it can with a plc. A plc is required to produce profit which usually they are asked to maximise whereas a limited company does not have to be seen to be maximising profits in the same way. Sure, they will want to make a profit, however I would argue that they are more free to pursue their own agenda as well, which may include just being successful. It's an important distinction. it seems that LFC , owned by Fenway Sports Group operates under the british company UKSV Holdings Co. Ltd. which it appears, is actually a PLC after all... http://www.cdrex.com/uksv-holdings-comp ... 86906.html

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 6:48 pm  

sanjunien wrote: it seems that LFC , owned by Fenway Sports Group operates under the british company UKSV Holdings Co. Ltd. which it appears, is actually a PLC after all... http://www.cdrex.com/uksv-holdings-comp ... 86906.html Clueless.

sanjunien wrote: it seems that LFC , owned by Fenway Sports Group operates under the british company UKSV Holdings Co. Ltd. which it appears, is actually a PLC after all... http://www.cdrex.com/uksv-holdings-comp ... 86906.html Clueless.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 7:18 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Clueless.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 7:25 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

:lol:

You clicked on when you should have been clicking on .

Not knowing the difference the difference between a private company and a PLC is like not knowing the difference between Manchester City and Manchester United.

Just STFU and go.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 7:55 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

so, they are not in it for the money then ?

just an altruistic act to make the lives of a few hundred thousand scousers happier then ?

I never said they weren't in it for making money but it may not be driven by the same ethics as drive a plc or are you suggesting that every single business in the world operates with the same objectives because I'm sure you don't believe that.

Cibaman wrote:

Fsg are probably under more pressure than most listed companies to make a profit because they invest the money of wealthy individuals that expect high returns. They do not invest for any other reason than to make money

Do you know that to be true?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 8:15 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

You clicked on when you should have been clicking on .

Not knowing the difference the difference between a private company and a PLC is like not knowing the difference between Manchester City and Manchester United.

Just STFU and go.

you would probably know because you understand the system - I don't, probably because i'm an ignorant froggie !

do you know the difference between a SARL and an EURL or SCI ?

and I did click correctly mon ami and i'm here to stay - just to annoy you

so again I say to you (without being impolite)

(what is the difference betwen Man U & Man C BTW ?)

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 8:47 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

(what is the difference betwen Man U & Man C BTW ?)

16 leagues, 6 FA Cups, 3 European Cups and a Club World Cup.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 24, 2012 10:01 pm