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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 1:02 pm  
What do the Mancs of here think of uber scum-wum Annie Eaves? Possibly one of the most embarrassing journalists on Twitter.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 6:11 pm  
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:lol: :lol: :lol: So bitter. Definitely a Manc of some sort.


I'm not a manc, and, you'll fill your boots with this, I'm a leeds united fan :SHIFTY:
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 6:22 pm  
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The manager who comes in and turns them around would be guaranteed the kind of worldwide adulation and legendary status that maybe only 2 or 3 other jobs in football could hope to match.


This is going to be incredibly difficult to do, the only teams who are going to winning the title are already established top clubs/super rich clubs. Man united, chelsea, man city.

I read today jamie carragher said it could be another generation before liverpool are champions again. That's coming from jamie carragher, someone whos been within the club and given his sweat and blood to it for 15 years.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 7:16 pm  
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I'm not a manc, and, you'll fill your boots with this, I'm a leeds united fan :SHIFTY:


So you keep saying, yet all you talk about is United and City, whist you hate Liverpool.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 11:13 pm  
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The manager who comes in and turns them around would be guaranteed the kind of worldwide adulation and legendary status that maybe only 2 or 3 other jobs in football could hope to match.


You scousers really do believe your own BS.

The Fat Waiter is probably given slightly more respect than he deserves for what he brought to Liverpool (and while I dislike him and hate LFC, I do respect his achievements) but it's not like respect from LFC fans is worth 5 times respect from fans of other clubs.

The fact is that even though Benitez took an average LFC to CL glory those achievements have been greatly diminished to everyone because he screwed things up at LFC and was a train wreck at Inter. Right now he's jobless and clearly undesired.

Steven Gerrard is loved by LFC fans. But if he looks like he's going to transfer somewhere you don't like and you pee your pants and burn his shirt.

Fernando Torres was the greatest striker in the history of football. His achievement of getting the most goals by a foreigner in their first season in the PL was exalted to almost title winning status. But he rightly leaves to actually see what winning things is like and suddenly he's a washed up pile of cack and never that good in the first place.

So why exactly is the almost impossible task of getting LFC to the top with an average budget going to appeal to the finest managers? What you want from a manager will be achievable only by a handful of the best managers around right now. They'll be courted by the biggest, most powerful clubs, paid massively and have a clearly easier task on their hands than managing you.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Fri May 18, 2012 11:15 pm  
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...whilst you hate Liverpool.


Goes to show that even though he's a bit of a sharp point, he does have some redeeming qualities.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sat May 19, 2012 7:25 am  
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You scousers really do believe your own BS.

The Fat Waiter is probably given slightly more respect than he deserves for what he brought to Liverpool (and while I dislike him and hate LFC, I do respect his achievements) but it's not like respect from LFC fans is worth 5 times respect from fans of other clubs.



To be honest, I don't really believe that managers get anywhere near as much recognition that they deserve. I don't respect or rate Mourinho anywhere near as highly as you do, but he has a great record. Similarly, some people think what Guardiola has done at Barcelona is the work of an Average Joe, achievable by any Football Manager player with a set-piece trick up his sleeve.

IMO, our job would be 'desirable' for a few reasons. We'd pay well, we're a 'big club' in the sense that we have a huge global fan base built on the back of a rich history of success, and, due to our recent poor season, there's massive potential to make a dramatic improvement next season. I think the 'elite coaches' are out of our range, the likes of Guardiola, Hiddink and Mourinho, but we could still get a fantastic coach, especially if we narrow it down to just 'coaching' and not, as I said the other day, coaching and scouting, i.e. the ability to 'spot a player'.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sat May 19, 2012 8:05 am  
I've heard the Borussia Mönchengladbach coach mentioned, can't be arsed looking for his name though. You'll probably know a bit about him Rob. René Girard, the bloke who's just taken Montpellier to the French title must be worth a shout.

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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sat May 19, 2012 12:27 pm  
Roddy B wrote:
To be honest, I don't really believe that managers get anywhere near as much recognition that they deserve. I don't respect or rate Mourinho anywhere near as highly as you do, but he has a great record. Similarly, some people think what Guardiola has done at Barcelona is the work of an Average Joe, achievable by any Football Manager player with a set-piece trick up his sleeve.


Well said Roddy. I'm amazed at how easy some people seem to think it is this managing job. You only have to look at the various Galactico failings to see that it takes more than just assembling the best players together to win things. There's so much evidence around to support this that it's foolish to argue otherwise. It may be the players that garnish the headlines but wherever you find a great team there is a greater manager at the helm e.g. Gustav Sebes (Hungary in the 50s), Michels (Ajax), Sacchi (AC Milan), Shankly, Ferguson. Barcelona may have been amazing at times but does anybody seriously think that it was the players that have implemented their style of play? Did the players just win La Liga for Real or was it Mourinho?

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I read today jamie carragher said it could be another generation before liverpool are champions again. That's coming from jamie carragher, someone whos been within the club and given his sweat and blood to it for 15 years.


That means nothing really. All it takes is a bit of cash and a good manager and Liverpool will be right up there again. I mean you've got Arsenal (there for the taking), Spuds, Chelsea (who are they going to appoint?), Newcastle (well within reach), United (who knows what will happen when Fergie goes), City (appear to have the least to worry about currently). It's far from the foregone conclusion that defeatist Carragher appears to be painting.
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Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Sat May 19, 2012 1:29 pm  
Would you say Vicente del Bosque was a great manager?
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