Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon May 16, 2011 6:52 pm  

Any Bears fans on here, what do you think of Orton v Cutler...?

I'm a Denver fan and personally quite like Orton and don't really want him to be traded which seems to be on the cards. But judging round other forums I think I'm in the minority in preferring him to Cutler.

I think maybe Cutler I had too high expectations of when I read some of the talk of him from ex greats, after his rookie season, you had people saying he was going to be the heir to Manning and Favre.....in RL terms I see Orton as a Chris Thorman and Cutler as Paul Cooke.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon May 16, 2011 9:27 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Any Bears fans on here, what do you think of Orton v Cutler...?

I'm a Denver fan and personally quite like Orton and don't really want him to be traded which seems to be on the cards. But judging round other forums I think I'm in the minority in preferring him to Cutler.

I think maybe Cutler I had too high expectations of when I read some of the talk of him from ex greats, after his rookie season, you had people saying he was going to be the heir to Manning and Favre.....in RL terms I see Orton as a Chris Thorman and Cutler as Paul Cooke.

Not that I'm a Bears fan but i'd probably take Orton. (neither are exceptional though).

I have no idea why there is talk of trading him. He is infinately better than Tebow.

Cutler has the worst parts of Favre, in that he will throw it into ANY coverage and gets intercepted a hell of a lot. Plus I just wouldn't want the game resting on his shoulders as I would with Rodgers/Favre/Manning/Brady. In contrast I feel Orton is more consistent and would be the better QB to have if you already have a fairly decent team to surround him.

I like Cutler (I think he is actually very funny) but to me he just seems to be somebody who'll sulk rather than inspire people.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon May 16, 2011 11:20 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Not that I'm a Bears fan but i'd probably take Orton. (neither are exceptional though).

I have no idea why there is talk of trading him. He is infinately better than Tebow.

Cutler has the worst parts of Favre, in that he will throw it into ANY coverage and gets intercepted a hell of a lot. Plus I just wouldn't want the game resting on his shoulders as I would with Rodgers/Favre/Manning/Brady. In contrast I feel Orton is more consistent and would be the better QB to have if you already have a fairly decent team to surround him.

I like Cutler (I think he is actually very funny) but to me he just seems to be somebody who'll sulk rather than inspire people.

Yes Orton is one of those who knows how to do a job, work a system etc and is reliable. Even if he isn't exceptional I think he's good enough to take a good team to the playoffs although he won't carry a franchise. If you put Orton in say the Denver team of the late 1990s with TD and Shannon Sharpe in it I reckon they could have still won Superbowls.

Cutler...like you say he's funny but he comes over with an indifferent air of someone who has already realised his dream (play in the NFL) and he doesn't seem to have a burning drive to win Superbowl like Elway did. I know its harsh to compare people to Elway but it's not just on field ability....Cutler never portrayed himself in a good light when he was at Denver even before the fall out with McDaniels coming in. That hyped up 'feud' with Philip Rivers was a case in point...Elway had a big rivalry with Marino from college days but their rivalry was based on mutual respect, when you see Rivers and Cutler mouthing off at each other and then using the media to carry it on you just think what a pair of overrated tossers.

I'm surprised that some of the Bears fans (on other forums) seemed to hail the Orton-Cutler trade as potentially the final piece in the jigsaw "at last we have a franchise quarterback"....hmmm

As for Tebow, to use an analogy from cricket, I wonder if he's a Ronnie Irani or Adam Hollioake type player. Those guys were always talked up for their mental strength and inspirational leadership, personal qualities etc, and at county level they were fantastic leaders. But when they were put in the Test arena they weren't quite up to it on technical quality. I have a fear that this is what is going to be the case for Tebow.

I reckon Denver will be about a break even season this year. I will be happy if they get a winning record but don't expect playoffs.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Mon May 16, 2011 11:22 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Cutler has the worst parts of Iestyn Harris, in that he will throw it into ANY coverage and gets intercepted a hell of a lot.

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Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue May 17, 2011 6:28 am  

It's no surprise that Cutler had his best seasons when he had a decent WR(Marshall) to throw to. At the moment he has no decent recievers. I think he has all the attributes to be a top five QB, but as Conroy said he doesn't seem driven enough.


P.S I'm still waiting for Rodgers to win in the final two minutes with the game on his shoulders.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue May 17, 2011 7:01 am  

Orton over Cutler? Christ.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue May 17, 2011 9:23 am  

Nikaed wrote:

It's no surprise that Cutler had his best seasons when he had a decent WR(Marshall) to throw to. At the moment he has no decent recievers. I think he has all the attributes to be a top five QB, but as Conroy said he doesn't seem driven enough.


P.S I'm still waiting for Rodgers to win in the final two minutes with the game on his shoulders.

Was reading that re-draft thing on ESPN the other day. How on earth did Brandon Marshall fall to the 119th pick? Incredible value that. Nearly as much as Colston who was picked at 252. Really pisses me off as a Rams fan when hardly any of our 1st rounders are still on the team, never mind a late rounder

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue May 17, 2011 1:38 pm  

Ian 77 Redux wrote:

Orton over Cutler? Christ.

As I've said I would. With the caveat that we've already got a decent team and therefore I'd feel Orton is more conisistent.

Nikaed wrote:

P.S I'm still waiting for Rodgers to win in the final two minutes with the game on his shoulders.

When your as good as Rodgers you don't need to win in the final 2 minutes because he's done it for the previous 58.

Superbowl MVP.
Highest post-season rating EVER (of any QB with over 100 pass attempts)
Best QB in the NFL. :wink

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue May 17, 2011 2:06 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

As I've said I would. With the caveat that we've already got a decent team and therefore I'd feel Orton is more conisistent.

When your as good as Rodgers you don't need to win in the final 2 minutes because he's done it for the previous 58.

Superbowl MVP.
Highest post-season rating EVER (of any QB with over 100 pass attempts)
Best QB in the NFL. :wink

Still hasn't done it when he has the chance to do so though. That my friend is fact.

Re: The All new NFL Chat thread including playoff talk : Tue May 17, 2011 4:30 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

As I've said I would. With the caveat that we've already got a decent team and therefore I'd feel Orton is more conisistent.

When your as good as Rodgers you don't need to win in the final 2 minutes because he's done it for the previous 58.

Superbowl MVP.
Highest post-season rating EVER (of any QB with over 100 pass attempts)
Best QB in the NFL. :wink

Cutler is better than Orton at every facet of the game. The only thing that Orton has over Cutler is that he is not as big of a nob. I suspect you're suggesting you'd prefer Orton to either be a contrarian or to seem like some sort of NFL guru. Either way it doesn't excuse a bonkers conclusion that places Kyle Orton above Jay Cutler as a Quarterback.