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Nikaed wrote:
I bet you still have nightmares on draft day. The San Diego Chargers select Eli Manning, QB Ole Miss.


I'd take Rivers over Manning every time if I had to pick between the 2 of them. Rivers is a far superior QB and would have multiple rings if he was a Giants player or the Chargers had a proper coach.
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Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance.

There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:

Gronk! wrote:
I'd take Rivers over Manning every time if I had to pick between the 2 of them. Rivers is a far superior QB and would have multiple rings if he was a Giants player or the Chargers had a proper coach.


If Rivers played in New York they'd have achieved a lot more in the last 5 years IMO
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Andy R wrote:
If Rivers played in New York they'd have achieved a lot more in the last 5 years IMO

The situation was perfect for Rivers in SD though. Sit for a couple of years and learn from a top QB (Brees) then come into a run heavy offense (LT was MVP his first season as starter) and feel his way in. Also, for all Norval's faults he's deceloped Rivers superbly. I don't know if Rivers to the Giants would see us with a Rivers as we know him, much like if the Rodgers / Smith selections were reversed.
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I'd rather have Jason Campbell. :D


We'll stick with the guy drafted 1 pick before him. :wink:
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The situation was perfect for Rivers in SD though. Sit for a couple of years and learn from a top QB (Brees) then come into a run heavy offense (LT was MVP his first season as starter) and feel his way in. Also, for all Norval's faults he's deceloped Rivers superbly. I don't know if Rivers to the Giants would see us with a Rivers as we know him, much like if the Rodgers / Smith selections were reversed.


I agree.

Rodgers had the benefit of sitting for a few years behind one of the best ever QB's while Smith was thrown to the wolves. That said I think Smith over Rodgers was a terrible pick (great for us!). Smith came from a terrible spread system while Rodgers came from a pro style offence and with very high accuracy (plus he is a Cal guy).

Like you say where you end up is a key to how you turn out. The best teams draft in advance and let guys sit for a year or two. It is just a far better system to use for player development. I know we in particular do it all the time. Nelson was drafted a year or two before he broke through fully. Raji played sparingly in his first year etc.

Plus teams seem to draft QB's and expect them to just walk in and do it with no pieces at all. Stafford IMO is a fantastic QB but he's let down because the Lions continually pass on LT's (for example they passed on Michael Oher for Brandon Pettigrew) to protect him and he gets hurt. Likewise Carolina just took Cam Newton and drafted all defence. The Bears got Cutler but give him an average line and a converted KR/CB as one of his top WR's.
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I agree.

Rodgers had the benefit of sitting for a few years behind one of the best ever QB's while Smith was thrown to the wolves. That said I think Smith over Rodgers was a terrible pick (great for us!). Smith came from a terrible spread system while Rodgers came from a pro style offence and with very high accuracy (plus he is a Cal guy).

Like you say where you end up is a key to how you turn out. The best teams draft in advance and let guys sit for a year or two. It is just a far better system to use for player development. I know we in particular do it all the time. Nelson was drafted a year or two before he broke through fully. Raji played sparingly in his first year etc.

Plus teams seem to draft QB's and expect them to just walk in and do it with no pieces at all. Stafford IMO is a fantastic QB but he's let down because the Lions continually pass on LT's (for example they passed on Michael Oher for Brandon Pettigrew) to protect him and he gets hurt. Likewise Carolina just took Cam Newton and drafted all defence. The Bears got Cutler but give him an average line and a converted KR/CB as one of his top WR's.



I notice you have a pop at the Lions. I'm sure you're aware that the Packers did the same thing with Rodgers? I remember you whinging on here about him always getting sacked. :wink:
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Gronk! wrote:
I'd take Rivers over Manning every time if I had to pick between the 2 of them. Rivers is a far superior QB and would have multiple rings if he was a Giants player or the Chargers had a proper coach.


Rivers is a better QB statistically. Eli get's it done though.
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I notice you have a pop at the Lions. I'm sure you're aware that the Packers did the same thing with Rodgers? I remember you whinging on here about him always getting sacked. :wink:


Yep. 09/10 season co-incided with Clifton and Tauscher our LT and RT being released. Our line was terrible for the first half of the year and we got battered by the Bucs (who I think hadn't won a game at that point?). That week we brought back Ciffy and Tauscher and we went on a run to the play-offs. We have a very good line now hence A-Rod can do his stuff. Consecutive first round picks on Bulaga (RT) and Sherrod (LT) for the future too means everybody else should be worried about us repeating! :wink:

I don't mean to have a pop at the Lions because I really rate them. I think they have a realistic shot at the play-offs this year, and I really wouldn't be suprised if they get a Wildcard but they have a poor O-line hence Stafford get hurt alot (thankfully even when we had a poor line A-Rod didn't get injured). We had a problem there and addressed it. The Lions continually ignore it.
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