Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 5:52 am  

The Independent are leading with the story that Liverpool have approached Andres Villas-Boas. Like I said above, it's risky and I doubt even whether he will want to manage in England again so soon after his issues at Chelsea.

Nevertheless the job he did at Porto was top class and he could do well. (Reject them AVB

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 7:36 am  

Roddy B wrote:

Not a fan of appointing people who already manage in the league, purely because I think the step up to Liverpool manager will be too big for most.

I'm a big fan of importing coaches with different methods and ideas. I know some people ridicule Liverpool, but I imagine we're still an attractive proposition to a lot of managers around the world, especially if the owners make money available. I'd love somebody like Marcelo Bielsa or Jurgen Klopp, but Klopp is easily out of our league.

My perfect appointment would be Joachim Low, but whether he's leaving Germany, or would even consider us, is another matter.

As for Kenny, if he won the cup he'd have been kept, they will have given him more time but you can't defend those league results, even if we did play well in a lot of games. He'll still be idolised by our fans and it won't taint his image in anyway, the man's a legend and he'll never be matched.

How do you think the sacking will afffect the relationship between the fans and the owners? Will they forgive them for sacking Dalglish?

It did seem to me that FSG were never going to be the type of owners that would be patient with a manager. Henry & Lerner are managing other wealthy investors' money and, for the sake of their reputation in the US, will feel the need to demonstrate that they are actively managing the investment.

I do have some sympathy with Dalglish in that I thought that Liverpool were genuinely unlucky over the course of the season and are probably a better team than the league table suggests. Although he clearly damaged his reputation over the Suarez affair.

Unless FSG completely switch off the transfer funds I think the job will be attractive to potential managers because they've got something to work with.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 7:53 am  

Goochie wrote:

To be fair, until King left it was working, the problem in the first season was that we didn't replace King's hard work or aerial ability up front.

It's still a poor approach to football, and the mark of a poor manager that once you took one player out of the side he couldn't come up with a different setup to get results.

Goochie wrote:

On the manager, Barmby should never have got the job full time in the first place, he should have played til the end of the season and become our assistant. The names kicking around for any job at our sort of level are the same every time, the likes of Davies and Blackwell; managers who have failed at this level numerous times and are on their way down. I've seen Lee Clark linked with us, not sure what I'd make of him, but would prefer him to Blackwell or Davies!

Barmby didn't even want the job, but he stepped in because neither did anyone else and they were desperate. To reward him for trying to get them out of a hole, they've then sacked him for saying he needs money if they want to progress any further, ending his playing career and leaving him in limbo as a coach. There's a good reason why decent managers won't be interested and Warren Joyce would rather coach Manchester United's kids, and it's the simple fact that Hull City boss is just not a very good job to have at the moment.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 7:57 am  

Just as a comparison:

AVB
Played 27 Won 13 Drawn 7 Lost 6
Average Points Per Game - 1.7
Average Goals Per Game - 1.74
Average Goals Against Per Game - 1.18
League Position (when sacked) 5th (3 points behind 4th)

Di Matteo

Played 10 Won 4 Drawn 3 Lost 3
Average Points Per Game - 1.5
Average Goals Per Game - 1.6
Average Goals Against Per Game - 1.3
League Position - 6th (5 points off 4th)


Liverpool would do well with AVB - realtively young squad that he can influence and get them to play his way, something the old guard at Chelsea resisted

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 8:03 am  

Pardew to LFC. The owners will want someone who can get the best out of their £35m marquee signing.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 8:06 am  

what odds on Moyes going to Anfield ?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 9:09 am  

sanjunien wrote:

what odds on Moyes going to Anfield ?

Slim to none. He'd need 24/7 police protection and the pressure would be immense.

It would be similar to McLeish at Villa, the Liverpool fans just wouldn't take to him or accept it.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 9:31 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Slim to none. He'd need 24/7 police protection and the pressure would be immense.

It would be similar to McLeish at Villa, the Liverpool fans just wouldn't take to him or accept it.

it was a tongue in cheek question of course but I seriously think he could work wonders for LFC

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 10:25 am  

The Lying King

In the Pride Lands of Anfield, a Scot rules over the other animals as king. As king Kenneth shows the lands to his new sons (Downing, Henderson and Adam), he tells them they cannot go to a shadowy place beyond the borders (Champions League Qualification). Later that season, their envious uncle Roy tells him that the shadowy place is in fact a Trophy Graveyard. The trio’s curiosity is piqued they convince their team mates to come with him. At the trophy graveyard, the players are attacked by three dogs of war before King Kenneth rescues them. The dogs are in fact friends of Roy, who then plotted with them to take over the Pride Lands of Anfield.

On Roys orders, the dogs stampede a large pack of Evertonians into Anfield Road where the Liverpool squad were training. King Kenneth rescues the squad, but as he attempts to flee by climbing the Stanley Park walls, Roy throws his ‘brother’ back into the stampede and stating “Long Live the King!” After Suarez finds ‘the Kings’ body on Anfield Road, Roy tricks him into thinking that the Kings death is his fault, and afterwards advises him to run away to Uruguay and to never come back. As Suarez leaves, Roy orders the dogs to go after Suarez, but the rat is able to escape. Roy then announces to the pride that both King Kenneth and Suarez were killed and Roy steps forward as the new king (of England).

The Circle of (Anfield) Life

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 11:25 am  

carl_spackler wrote:

It's still a poor approach to football, and the mark of a poor manager that once you took one player out of the side he couldn't come up with a different setup to get results.

I dunno about that, in our promotion season we played some really good stuff, there wasn't an out an out target man but we didn't mess about at the back with it either. I'll always look back on the Brown years with a smile, and would have given him until the end of the season to try and get us safe, which was doable at the time, but then Dowie came in an that was it.

carl_spackler wrote:

Barmby didn't even want the job, but he stepped in because neither did anyone else and they were desperate. To reward him for trying to get them out of a hole, they've then sacked him for saying he needs money if they want to progress any further, ending his playing career and leaving him in limbo as a coach. There's a good reason why decent managers won't be interested and Warren Joyce would rather coach Manchester United's kids, and it's the simple fact that Hull City boss is just not a very good job to have at the moment.

Barmby did an OK job, but if they'd said they were sacking him for footballing reasons I'd have been OK with that, we were 3 points off the automatics in February, we ended about 20 points off, including a spell losing to Coventry, Millwall and Pompey without even troubling their keepers. I think Joyce knows he has a secure job at United, whereas back in first team football he'd be under constant pressure, I'm not sure that's for him.