Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Wed May 16, 2012 10:18 pm  

Goochie wrote:

There's a lack of decent managers at every level of English football at the moment, with Liverpool, a top level club having no obvious candidates, the same with West Brom who are a lower half/ mid table side and Hull City a club wanting to go up next season having some horrible names like Blackwell linked with us.

What do you expect when they've just sacked the manager for wanting some money to spend, after he ended his playing career early to take the job last year when nobody else wanted it then? Who in their right mind would want that job unless they don't have any other interest?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Wed May 16, 2012 10:26 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Not really, Hull City didn't play anything like good football most of the time under him. Phil Brown is straight out of the Allardyce school of coaching.

Not really talking about the style of football. Just the achievement of getting a Hull/Burnley/Swansea/Norwich to the PL and keeping them there.

What Rodgers has done so far with Swansea is magnificent. He deserves all the praise he gets. But rather than quickly shoeing him into a job like Liverpool you need to think that Rodgers achievements were comparable to Brown's and Coyle's. Brown's since disappeared and Coyle is going back to the Championship, just that little bit slower than his Burnley side did.

This is my argument against Chelsea giving the job to Di Matteo. I think Di Matteo's achievements this season have been absolutely brilliant. But that doesn't mean that he is an absolutely brilliant manager. ATM Di Matteo equalled the CL performance of Avram Grant, did better in the FA Cup and slightly worse in the league. CFC fans should remember that before trying to pressure RA into appointing him.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Wed May 16, 2012 10:39 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Not really talking about the style of football. Just the achievement of getting a Hull/Burnley/Swansea/Norwich to the PL and keeping them there.

What Rodgers has done so far with Swansea is magnificent. He deserves all the praise he gets. But rather than quickly shoeing him into a job like Liverpool you need to think that Rodgers achievements were comparable to Brown's and Coyle's. Brown's since disappeared and Coyle is going back to the Championship, just that little bit slower than his Burnley side did.

This is my argument against Chelsea giving the job to Di Matteo. I think Di Matteo's achievements this season have been absolutely brilliant. But that doesn't mean that he is an absolutely brilliant manager. ATM Di Matteo equalled the CL performance of Avram Grant, did better in the FA Cup and slightly worse in the league. CFC fans should remember that before trying to pressure RA into appointing him.

Fair comment that it's the same kind of achievement, but it is certainly far more comparable to Coyle than Brown. Swansea and Burnley both play/played good football and were about the whole being greater than the sum of their parts, which is a mark of good coaching. Hull City were about lumping it to Marlon King and hoping for a bit of inspiration from Geovanni, the mark of a manager who is tactically bankrupt but thinks that a hard-working team of battlers and one footballer can make up for it.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Wed May 16, 2012 11:10 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Fair comment that it's the same kind of achievement, but it is certainly far more comparable to Coyle than Brown. Swansea and Burnley both play/played good football and were about the whole being greater than the sum of their parts, which is a mark of good coaching. Hull City were about lumping it to Marlon King and hoping for a bit of inspiration from Geovanni, the mark of a manager who is tactically bankrupt but thinks that a hard-working team of battlers and one footballer can make up for it.

To be fair, until King left it was working, the problem in the first season was that we didn't replace King's hard work or aerial ability up front.

On the manager, Barmby should never have got the job full time in the first place, he should have played til the end of the season and become our assistant. The names kicking around for any job at our sort of level are the same every time, the likes of Davies and Blackwell; managers who have failed at this level numerous times and are on their way down. I've seen Lee Clark linked with us, not sure what I'd make of him, but would prefer him to Blackwell or Davies!

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Wed May 16, 2012 11:48 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

There is a chance though that he could be great. But I don't think it's a risk LFC can take.

I can see that and you're probably right. Perhaps he needs to show people who he can transform the culture of a small club via their style of play on the field first. At the moment he is more than saying the right things, he's doing them and planning to learn more so he can apply it which he seems very adept at doing. To me it looks a lot more promising than, say, Lambert or Coyle and maybe more interesting than Moyes.

I'd be prepared to give him a shot in the same way that I would with AVB. Would the age of AVB be an issue at Liverpool like it was at Chelsea? I doubt it because there's a few new and young players who haven't been coached at this level before in the same way that the Chelsea players had worked with up to World Cup Winners. Sure there are a couple who can make reference to Rafa but given how without a on-field vision Liverpool appear to me, as an outsider, they could really play an important part in instilling a consistent, attractive and modern footballing philosophy. It's what Rafa was aiming to do after all wasn't it?

Goochie wrote:

To be fair, until King left it was working, the problem in the first season was that we didn't replace King's hard work or aerial ability up front.

Bayern Munich's mission statement is "More than 1-0" which, despite its corporate influence is I think a lovely way of capturing that sometimes football (or sport for that matter) is more than just whether its working. When you have a manager who has dominated English football by having pretty much each of his sides go and do that then why shouldn't that be the aim for them all?

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 12:02 am  

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 12:33 am  

The most amusing facet of Dalglish being sacked for an Evertonian like myself is that none of presently touted 'successors' mentioned are even remotely able to measure up to David Moyes.

Lambert, Martinez and Rodgers - whilst both doing fantasticly commendable jobs at their respective clubs, realistically they are of an ever lower stature in terms of clubs, experience and European presence than Hodgson was when appointed.

AVB would be a colossal risk after his spell at Chelsea and one wonders how long would Fenway Sports Group be prepared to wait for him to establish his style of football and management without success.

Benitez or a recognised European name would be a decent appointment. Either way - Liverpool losing 2 managers in 15 months makes the Blue half of Merseyside even hungrier to push the knife in next season. Next victim.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 1:33 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Yeah, he's going to leave Real Madrid, managing Cristiano Ronaldo, to go to Liverpool and manage Andy Carroll.

There was a time I truly dreaded Mourinho going to Liverpool. My worst nightmare. But that nightmare has passed.

I'm sure he'd relish the challenge of revitalising the fortunes of the second biggest club in the biggest league in the world, especially if he gets a couple of hundred million quid bunged his way to do it. There's nowhere else for him to go at the moment if he leaves Real after all: Mancini is safe at City now for the time being, he'll never go back to Chelsea or Inter, Ferguson's going nowhere for a few years yet (and I doubt United would put up with his sideshow anyway), Arsenal will lumber on with Wenger indefinitely, the whole of Spain would implode if he went to Barca, and Juve/Milan are doing very nicely with their current incumbents, thank you very much. I very much doubt there are any other clubs big enough for him. He's been at Real for 2 years and hasn't won the European Cup and so is well overdue a sacking - I can easily see him in a Liverpool shellsuit next season if that happens and the Yanks give him a decent sized warchest to rebuild with. Dear God I hope so...

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 1:42 am  

WarwickUniWolf wrote:

Benitez ... would be a decent appointment.

No, no, no, no, no, NO!!! He achieved little but spending huge amounts of money on dozens of awful players, lucking a European cup and blowing what should have been a nailed-on title in a very poor league in 6 years last time 'round - how the hell could that justify giving him another go? We'd be better off reinstating Dalglish again frankly.

Re: The Football Chat (cont) : Thu May 17, 2012 3:34 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

No, no, no, no, no, NO!!! He achieved little but spending huge amounts of money on dozens of awful players, lucking a European cup and blowing what should have been a nailed-on title in a very poor league in 6 years last time 'round - how the hell could that justify giving him another go? We'd be better off reinstating Dalglish again frankly.

That'd work - Let the chaos continue.