: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:06 pm
Robbo4 wrote:
Obviously I dont play massive stakes and I'm not some sort of superstar
Well no of course not, but if you answered the question it would give me an idea of what levels you are basing your assertions and opinions on. i.e. if you've not bought into a tournament for more than a tenner or something then I'll not really disagree with anything you've said
Robbo4 wrote:
You seem to have missed my point, in a tournament once you are out thats it, your out (obviously not including re-buys etc). That can happen when you have pocket Aces (as has happened to me several times) if someone calls you with nothing and hits the cards they need. That to me is "luck" and some element of skill is removed from that format. In a cash game if you get a "bad beat" like that you can use your good play to recoup some or all of the money you lost in that hand.
Indeed but luck on an overall scale in poker is just as integral to cash games as it is to tournaments, skill overrides luck the higher you get in the main but yeah as you said with a tournament when you're out you're out and that's that really so ho hum.
Robbo4 wrote:
Not sure why you made that point as I've said nothing of the sort. I simply made the point that over a longer period of time the better players will come out on top in cash games whereas in a tournament the player with the most luck on that particular day tends to come out on top.
You did, you said it here:
Robbo4 wrote:
You think? Tournament play basically revolves around getting all your money in first and then hoping your hand stands up. The best players can easily go out of a tournament through bad luck. Cash games are more about maximising your profit on each hand IMO and the better players will usually come out on top.
Robbo4 wrote:
Again you seem to be attributing something to me that I haven't said. I was pointing out, again, that in a tournament you have payed a relatively small amount (compared to the prize pool) and thats the most you can "lose" so players play more loose especailly when calling. If its a cash game and somebody raises the pot and it will cost you £200 (thats just a figure I made up) to call with your ace rag or whatever you are less likely to call IMO. Yes the good players will usually do the right thing and call/fold/raise regardless of the circumstance but more of the numpty players are involved in tournament and it only takes one bad beat to put you out.
Tbh I think we're comparing completely different levels here, If you're talking about those $10 buy-in's you get online where the overall prize pool is easily over $1,000 then I suppose you're right yeah but for someone to have that kind of mentality in a tournament I don't think you can make a comparison to someone playing in a cash game with £200 involved in one hand.
Robbo4 wrote:
I'm not sure why you think I was comparing the two formats anyway? I simply pointed out that Cash games involve more skill IMO than tournaments and that the better players will usually perform consistently better in a cash game.
We'll have to agree to disagree there. To last a few days in a tournament takes a ridiculous amount of discipline and mental stamina, especially when you can be sometimes playing till 4/5/6am from lunchtime but certainly to be a winning cash game player requires an immense amount of skill
