Re: Bevan French 4yr deal : Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:26 am  

Zig wrote:

I’d have Morgan back in a heartbeat.

Over Thompson? No chance


I rate Smithies highly but the ceilings of both leave Thompson far ahead. The one thing holding Smithies back is his lack of pace and athleticism which Thompson has.

Re: Bevan French 4yr deal : Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:55 am  

bazdev wrote:

Over Thompson? No chance


I rate Smithies highly but the ceilings of both leave Thompson far ahead. The one thing holding Smithies back is his lack of pace and athleticism which Thompson has.

At this current moment Thompson is the better player but the problem is Thompson struggles to stay fit and make the field regularly and is nearly 29 so you’d think is at or past his peak level. Smithies has a good injury record and is 23 and improving massively that’s why I would want Smtihies over Thompson.

Re: Bevan French 4yr deal : Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:57 am  

It's not a question we'll need to answer anyway. Even if Smithies decides to come back to the UK in 2 or 3 years time, you'd imagine we'd then look to fit both him and Thompson in and by that point we may be able to do it if there have been some exits. They're both fabulous players and we've dropped on that we've been able to bring in a top class English player, at a time when one was leaving the club.

I look at Saints for 2025 and if Makinson is going to Catalans, they will much much the same if they get Tom Davies but if they don't, well, where do you go? You'll need to sign a much inferior English player to Makinson or free up another quota spot to go down under. I got told yesterday that HKR are sniffing around Alex Walmsley as well. That would be major problems if that came off. Again, if you want an English replacement, where do you go? and to go overseas another quota spot would need opening. It's a couple of great examples of how lucky we've been with the Smithies/Thompson timing.

Re: Bevan French 4yr deal : Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:40 am  

bazdev wrote:

Over Thompson? No chance

I rate Smithies highly but the ceilings of both leave Thompson far ahead. The one thing holding Smithies back is his lack of pace and athleticism which Thompson has.

Smithies has a higher celling imo. His development over the last few years has been phenomenal. We all know about his tackling and work rate etc, but he started to ball play more too.

Thompson, during that exceptional period he had, also benefitted from having a quality pack around him. I don't think Smithies ever really had that.

I'm not talking Thompson down here by the way. I'm talking Smithies up. I think he's that good.

Re: Bevan French 4yr deal : Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:59 am  

Jukesays wrote:

As for people not rating him, like anything else in life there will always be people questioning players, questioning the club, criticising someone or other who havent got 1% of the knowledge or skills of the people they're criticising,

I'd love to know if you're like this across the rest of your life? Do you just accept everything you're told, or do you ever form your own opinion?

You do realise that nothing is back and white and everything carries some kind of bias. Experts for the most part, just look at their area of expertise and don't factor in the wider picture, or wider impacts. There are also different schools of thought between experts too.

Going off on a tangent on this topic, I admire KR for his ability to make decisions, but he's wrong in his assertion that if everyone had access to the info he did, we'd all make the same decisions. I'd say it's a shockingly naive way of thinking too. I can guarantee you that, if you put the same info and resources in front of 100 people, you'll get more than one plan of action.

For the most part, I'm happy with the direction the club is going in. That however doesn't mean they aren't open for criticism, or that differing opinions aren't valid.

Re: Bevan French 4yr deal : Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:18 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

At this current moment Thompson is the better player but the problem is Thompson struggles to stay fit and make the field regularly and is nearly 29 so you’d think is at or past his peak level. Smithies has a good injury record and is 23 and improving massively that’s why I would want Smtihies over Thompson.

I didn't think this was a question of picking one or the other. I would have Smithies at 13 to replace Ellis and Thompson would still be my starting prop.

Re: Bevan French 4yr deal : Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:12 pm  

Zig wrote:

I didn't think this was a question of picking one or the other. I would have Smithies at 13 to replace Ellis and Thompson would still be my starting prop.

The thread got turned into which one you would rather have and although different positions (although Thompson can play 13) Thompson wouldn’t be here without Smithies leaving, I just my opinion to why fans would have preferred Smtihies to stay.