Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:12 pm  

thesaint71 wrote:

How was that not a red for Dupree ,!!

Why was it a red? Serious question.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:34 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Go on, I'll give you a bite

I've been quite complementary on here about Saints, how good you are, how weird it is with people complaining about RedVee, how Bell should have played etc. That's not a new thing either. I backed McManus after the CC mess up and I have zero issues with Saints as a club. I actually respect you guys.

However, the fact Saints fans want to come on here, after that horrendous performance by the ref and try to say you deserve the win boils my pi$$. This whole sticking to tribal lines things is literally killing the game imo.

Before you say I'm doing the same, I said Moore was awful in the WCC win and I've knocked the refs after plenty of wins we've had this year too.

All I wanted was a derby game. 13 v 13, slug fest. Sadly & literally from the 3min and the "pen" against Byrne being 9.99m away from the guy who bottled the kick, Kuntdall gave us nothing. I can name loads of decisions that he simply ignored for us. It was one way traffic and a massive middle finger to every Wigan and neutral fan watching.

Laugh all you want, but this whole "we won" so I'll gloat BS doesn't help anything or anyone.

I think I've posted enough on here to comfortably say, I'd be saying the same if we'd have won.

I do feel for you, because we can debate all day about the way the rules are going and on that I’m 100% in agreement with you that the game is becoming lame and that having multiple cards per game is properly killing the game as an entertainment spectacle and it’s always deflating when a card just changes the momentum of a game and it seems like it’s happening in at least one game every single week so on the wider discussion, I’m with you.

However, they ARE the rules and the ref applied them correctly so to say he was horrendous is just false. I thought he had a decent game overall. He missed a few things of course but I’ve never seen a ref have a perfect game in my life

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:37 am  

Zig wrote:

Why was it a red? Serious question.

He was leading with the elbow and attacked the head. I understand the point about mitigation hitting the chest first and on that basis I have no issue with it not being a red, but I thought it was because leading with the elbow has always been illegal on its own even if you take out the head contact.

That said I always hate people crying for red cards, idk why people are so eager to have their opponents at a disadvantage but you see it every week. People are seriously suggesting Dodd should have had a RED for tripping field. Bizarre

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:45 am  

I found it ironic that it was Lees who Dupree did that to. If they crack down on leading with the none ball carrying arm, Lees will need a season ticket in the main stand. I’ve been banging on about Lees doing that for the last few seasons.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:36 am  

Zig wrote:

Why was it a red? Serious question.

Leading with the elbow could have broke Matty Lees,jaw

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:42 am  

thesaint71 wrote:

Leading with the elbow could have broke Matty Lees,jaw

If his jaw was attached to his chest then I would agree.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:59 am  

thesaint71 wrote:

Leading with the elbow could have broke Matty Lees,jaw

Had he caught him on it then yes. I had no issue with the yellow and I wouldn’t have been surprised if it was a red because players shouldn’t be doing it, regardless of where the contact is. Matty Lees is by far the worst player in the league for doing it however, so I’ll await with interest how the refs handle it the next time he does it (which will be in the next game) and how Saints fans react to it.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:32 pm  

thesaint71 wrote:

Leading with the elbow could have broke Matty Lees,jaw

Every player leads with the forearm/elbow. The referees will have to give a penalty every time a forward drives the ball in! It was nowhere near his jaw, he had more chance of getting whiplash.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:36 pm  

Zig wrote:

Every player leads with the forearm/elbow. The referees will have to give a penalty every time a forward drives the ball in! It was nowhere near his jaw, he had more chance of getting whiplash.

Language is interesting, don't you think? It's "putting the bumpers up" when Lees does it and "Leading with the elbow" when it's Dupree.

Nick Fozzard, anyone?

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:37 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

He was leading with the elbow and attacked the head. I understand the point about mitigation hitting the chest first and on that basis I have no issue with it not being a red, but I thought it was because leading with the elbow has always been illegal on its own even if you take out the head contact.

That said I always hate people crying for red cards, idk why people are so eager to have their opponents at a disadvantage but you see it every week. People are seriously suggesting Dodd should have had a RED for tripping field. Bizarre

I want to see 13 against 13. As for the indiscretion of Dodd, a trip was automatically a red card in the past it has now been downgraded to a yellow. Serious question, should players be allowed to lead with the forearm full stop?