Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:28 am  

100% Warrior wrote:

I can’t bear to listen or read any of his interviews. The more I do the more I think he’s in need of psychological help.

Actually gutted this is how I’ll remember Adrian Lam more than for his simply brilliant playing days here. A delusional, useless coach.

Would you be the coach of a club with a poorer and less players than normal squad due to the terrible financial situation at the club?

Massive losses according to the media and no stadium to sell this time to get back into profit.

Perhaps, the time has come for new and richer ownership!


Unless that happens, it could be a case of another Wigan club going into administration!

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:37 am  

Ruddy Duck wrote:

If you look at the present squad, you will see that for most of the season it has had only twenty six players actually playing due to long term injuries to players like French and Field and seasons loans of Hankinson and Roden when normally, the club has a first team squad in the thirties. If you then take into account, other week by week injuries and a more than normal number of suspensions, the club has played all the other clubs home and away and the Magic game even when on some occasions it has struggled to raise a squad of 21 players for a game. Even Clubb, who now plays with only one kidney has given 100% to help out the club in its situation.

Who would be a Coach when week by week, he has never been able to play a regular and consistent squad without positional changes for a full fixture list of 23 games under such difficult circumstances of the past two seasons.

Lam may not be the perfect choice as first team coach in the eyes of supporters, but is he any worse than the proposed favourite to replace him who has neve been a First Team Coach of any club and has been part of the present coaching team appointed by the club as his assistants!

If he is appointed, it would appear to be more about saving even more money rather than getting a well known and successful head coach from either within our own game or down under!

Given the circumstances of the last two season, the players should be applauded for getting the fourth place in the play off's and in with a chance of winning the trophy.

p.s. We only only lost in the final last season because a bad mistake near the end of the game which was hardly the coaches fault.

You make some reasonable points but you can't deny that we've been poor all season. We've lost a number of games we should have won, and we've scrawped through others that we should have romped.

Yes, there's been disruption but other teams have had that too, and yet still are firm favourites whenever they play Wigan.

Finishing fourth is flattering to deceive, to be honest. Apart from the odd okay performance like Friday night (and that was still littered with mistakes), we've put on a substandard show all season.

Wigan fans know when they are watching quality rugby. They were brought up on the best. You can't tell them they are seeing good stuff when they aren't.

That buck can only stop with the coach.

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:54 am  

Just saw McDonnell 's robust score against Les Cats. He has had good reviews on loan. Could he be a contender for next season or are we overstocked with back rows?

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:04 am  

Levrier wrote:

Just saw McDonnell 's robust score against Les Cats. He has had good reviews on loan. Could he be a contender for next season or are we overstocked with back rows?

Farrell, Bateman, Pearce-Paul, Isa, Smithies, Nicholson.

However there will be a reserve league next season so at least he will get plenty of games.

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:07 am  

NSW wrote:

This is my big worry. If you could guarantee all Partington, Byrne, Smithies and particularly KPP and Havard would be Wigan players for the next 10 years id be very excited about the club.

Think KPP and Havard are serving there NRL apprenticeship and we won’t reap the rewards.

It’s a question for a fans forum in a few years if they start to leave. It links in with their point about paying these lads ‘the going rate’ to keep them as they become fully fledged first grade players. That’s great as long as you’re then getting the output from your hard work. If we’re developing players to head to the NRL and prop up many superleague clubs (including a big one up the road), then you have to wonder what the point is. If we talk here and now, we could get older forwards from elsewhere to do a comparable job to some of the young guys like Partington, Byrne, Smithies, Havard etc right now but the ambition has to be that these lads develop and go well last the levels of the more experienced guys we could sign. If we then feel the benefit it’s absolutely fantastic.

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:09 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Farrell, Bateman, Pearce-Paul, Isa, Smithies, Nicholson.

However there will be a reserve league next season so at least he will get plenty of games.

How far off do you think Nicholson is Rogues?

I’ve seen games of his here and there and he looks like he’d take to first team rugby quite comfortably. It’s unbelievable how stacked we are in the back row with all these lads coming through. Hopefully there’s an outside back or two who can push through in the next couple of years.

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:19 am  

Cruncher wrote:

You make some reasonable points but you can't deny that we've been poor all season. We've lost a number of games we should have won, and we've scrawped through others that we should have romped.

Yes, there's been disruption but other teams have had that too, and yet still are firm favourites whenever they play Wigan.

Finishing fourth is flattering to deceive, to be honest. Apart from the odd okay performance like Friday night (and that was still littered with mistakes), we've put on a substandard show all season.

Wigan fans know when they are watching quality rugby. They were brought up on the best. You can't tell them they are seeing good stuff when they aren't.

That buck can only stop with the coach.

Wrong, in any business the buck stops with the employer and not the employee.

Its his job to provide the best manager to run the business or in the case of the playing side of a rugby league club, the head coach and coaching/training/medical staff.

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:39 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

How far off do you think Nicholson is Rogues?

I’ve seen games of his here and there and he looks like he’d take to first team rugby quite comfortably. It’s unbelievable how stacked we are in the back row with all these lads coming through. Hopefully there’s an outside back or two who can push through in the next couple of years.

We need to alter the talent id programme for that to happen. We've only really been interested in aggressively pursuing back row and 'middles' it seems for the last five or so years.

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:51 am  

Ruddy Duck wrote:

Wrong, in any business the buck stops with the employer and not the employee.

Not if the employee isn't doing his job properly. In which case it's the employer's responsibility to replace him. And IL is in the process of that.

In 2010, IL replaced Brian Noble with Michael McGuire but kept the same team. The results were staggeringly different, which disproves your assertion.

Re: Catalans (H) : Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:02 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

Not if the employee isn't doing his job properly. In which case it's the employer's responsibility to replace him. And IL is in the process of that.

In 2010, IL replaced Brian Noble with Michael McGuire but kept the same team. The results were staggeringly different, which disproves your assertion.

You fail to allow for the fact that in any other business, if an employee is failing to deliver, they can be either sacked or managed out of the business and replaced (depending on the severity) on a 1-to-1 basis.

In rugby (and football), you can't just sack them as you need to pay up their ENTIRE contract and pay for a replacement as well, meaning that you pay double for 1 job.

We didn't sack Nobby to bring in Madge - We waited for his contract to expire and brought Madge in for the start of the following season.

Therefore, your assertion is equally disproved/flawed, although I agree with your main point that Lam is the issue here - Not Lenagan.