Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:18 am  

Grimmy wrote:

It's irrelevant, they should be able to do their jobs without having to worry about having things thrown at them. Yes boo them and call them all sorts like happens every week at every single game (presumably because no referee in the history of Super League has ever had a good game) but nothing justifies throwing things at them.

We are at the point where that many officials have walked away from the game that kids games are being postponed, and many top level amateur games have no touch judges. Incidents like this will contribute to that, and put people off becoming new officials. Maybe if people treated them with respect, we would have more officials to choose from and would be able to select ones who meet your standards. Why don't you have a crack at officiating yourself given your in depth knowledge of how they should act and what decisions they should give? I'll pay for your course and kit myself. There is an online one on 23/08/21.

Keep ignoring the cause of the issue and it won't get better. You just don't want to acknowledge any involvement in it.

You talk about giving them respect, but they do nothing to warrant it. Why respect Hicks when he acts the way he does?

Thanks for your offer, but I'm not that egotistical to think I can tell pro rugby players that they've done wrong. It's pathetic that a guy like Hicks or Child's think they can and also have the superior attitude that they do. They are up there with the very worse politicians imo.

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:25 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Keep ignoring the cause of the issue and it won't get better. You just don't want to acknowledge any involvement in it.

The cause of whatever officials you see on the pitch is that we have no one better to put out there. Why don't we have anyone better to put out there? Because many people who would be great officials don't want to deal with abuse from players and fans. Given that you appear sympathetic to referee abuse, and we have now established you wouldn't be brave enough take up the whistle yourself, I think you should acknowledge your involvement in it.

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:33 am  

Are the refs any better or worse than they’ve ever been? It’ll never be perfect, in the same way the players aren’t perfect. There are certain rules that need tweaking but as for the actual standard of the refs, some are good, some not so good and one or two need to work on their manner on the field but we’ve been saying that for as long as I’ve watched the game.

Ultimately I think we’re talking about refs more at the moment because of how poor we are. We didn’t have this level of debate in the Maguire/Wane days but they took ownership for their teams performances, unlike Lam on Wednesday night, who decided to hide behind a decision made when we were losing anyway.

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:12 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Nothing to do with being classy or not and I'd argue it's another example of you guys having your heads in the sand. It's like that Principal Skinner meme of "Am I out of touch? No it's the children who are wrong". There's zero ownership of the fact that the attitudes and arrogance of some refs are playing a part in this. When you have a captain at a big club telling a ref he's not too important to be spoken to, you know there's an attitude problem.

If you listen to some refs talk then they paint themselves like some little old lady who gets mugged on the street, completely innocent and without blame.

I will say however that, without a shadow of a doubt tho, the biggest issue here are the larger lout chavs who can't hold their beer. They've crossed a line and should be banned.

If the ref makes more mistakes than your team you are entitled to feel aggrieved (not to behave like hooligans). I challenge you to find a game where that is the case. Wednesday was definitely not the case.

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:29 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Are the refs any better or worse than they’ve ever been? It’ll never be perfect, in the same way the players aren’t perfect. There are certain rules that need tweaking but as for the actual standard of the refs, some are good, some not so good and one or two need to work on their manner on the field but we’ve been saying that for as long as I’ve watched the game.

Ultimately I think we’re talking about refs more at the moment because of how poor we are. We didn’t have this level of debate in the Maguire/Wane days but they took ownership for their teams performances, unlike Lam on Wednesday night, who decided to hide behind a decision made when we were losing anyway.

I've said it before that the current refs are no worse than the refs when i started watching in the early 80s. are they really any worse than kevin allatt, john mean or colin whitfied?

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:39 am  

roo67 wrote:

I've said it before that the current refs are no worse than the refs when i started watching in the early 80s. are they really any worse than kevin allatt, john mean or colin whitfied?

i think the majority on here agree, that irrelevant of how poor a ref is during a game(s) they dont warrant stuff throwing at them. I've hurled lots of abuse at them in the past along with opposition teams, but wouldnt even think about throwing bottles, phones, coins etc at them.

quite simple, find the idiot(s) and ban them from all games

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:22 pm  

The pieman wrote:

i think the majority on here agree, that irrelevant of how poor a ref is during a game(s) they dont warrant stuff throwing at them. I've hurled lots of abuse at them in the past along with opposition teams, but wouldnt even think about throwing bottles, phones, coins etc at them.

quite simple, find the idiot(s) and ban them from all games

Completely agree with you

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:56 pm  

roo67 wrote:

I've said it before that the current refs are no worse than the refs when i started watching in the early 80s. are they really any worse than kevin allatt, john mean or colin whitfied?

Fred Lindop, Billy Thompson and you think that today’s ref’s are no worse

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:54 pm  

its a pity we cant do something along the lines of the barmy army.

i've been to a couple of test matches at OT, and was chatting to some of the lads there. Obviously they go to get tanked up and have a good day. The way one of them described the army was that they are basically self policing and the stewards allow them to sort themselves out inhouse (so to speak), and if anyone steps out of line they are dealt with by the barmy army and wont travel with them again. The stewards can concentrate on other matters

Re: Idiots at last nights game : Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:39 pm  

karetaker wrote:

Fred Lindop, Billy Thompson and you think that today’s ref’s are no worse

'Sgt Major' Eric Clay before them, also wasn't that great a ref either.