[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Squad for Wire : Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:00 am  

did you hear what the attendance was on weds? i've not seen it

Re: Squad for Wire : Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:41 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

did you hear what the attendance was on weds? i've not seen it

8,000 and a bit is what I heard. It’s a Wednesday fixture, so I’d have expected you to get about 10k on in a Wednesday in 2019. It’s not too worrying a drop that in the current climate IMO.

Re: Squad for Wire : Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:32 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

8,000 and a bit is what I heard. It’s a Wednesday fixture, so I’d have expected you to get about 10k on in a Wednesday in 2019. It’s not too worrying a drop that in the current climate IMO.

Impossible to make a judgement on how crowds will be affected until the next round of season ticket sales. Those who understandably didn't buy one this year will probably be unlikely to buy match tickets. I am a little surprised there are no half season ticket packages.

Re: Squad for Wire : Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:06 am  

Grimmy wrote:

Well you can't exactly make the players continue if they all stop can you? That forces the ref's hand, and obviously no one would complain about treating that as a tackle as they had all stopped. That's a bit different to the ref stopping one team as they are running in for a try. We can disagree with the rules all we want, all I'm explaining is that (whether people like it or not) the game wasn't stopped immediately because no tackle had been completed, and that it would have been stopped at the next tackle had there been one. That's not a random brainfart from Hicks, it's the same way the game has been officiated for at least the last 20 years that I have been watching/involved. No idea whether it used to be different before that.

Previously taking someone’s head off in a Wire v Wigan game was compulsory not accidental. Even in pre season “friendlies “ Locker Cup often saw a season ending injury or 2.

Re: Squad for Wire : Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:03 am  

Supporters should stop making excuses about mid week games and Covid19 and face the fact that there is not the same interest in the game today as there was in season's past.

A situation which will be hard to rectify with more and more supporters finding other interests outside watching Rugby League.

Re: Squad for Wire : Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:56 am  

Grimmy wrote:

and that you don't penalise accidental acts. .

So are you saying they don't penalise "accidental offside" or that when a player falling receives a head high tackle it is deliberate or intentional?

Re: Squad for Wire : Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:33 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

So are you saying they don't penalise "accidental offside"

Correct, they don't penalise accidental offside. It is a turnover (or scrum pre-COVID)

Phuzzy wrote:

or that when a player falling receives a head high tackle it is deliberate or intentional?

Already answered earlier:

Grimmy wrote:

I'd say the difference is that if you tackle someone high, it's always going to be at least reckless, because you were trying to make contact with them, you've just done it in the wrong place. I would hope that Charnley wasn't trying to make contact with Marshall at all.

Re: Squad for Wire : Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:00 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Correct, they don't penalise accidental offside. It is a turnover (or scrum pre-COVID)

Already answered earlier:

A bit pedantic Grimmy. It certainly isn't play on!


As for the comparison to head high: are you saying Charnley didn't intend making contact? Then why didn't he try to jump over the prone player? He absolutely intended to (as he puts it) "put his boots where Marshall's head was" (sic). I'm not suggesting he tried to injure him purposely but he did intend to...shall we say.."compete" for the ball. It's not dissimilar to when a player slides into the tackle feet first in football and takes the player rather than the ball. It's no use pleading "but I was going for the ball, I didn't intend to make contact". That just doesn't wash.

Re: Squad for Wire : Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:44 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

100% he should have gone to the video ref.

Hicks doesn't learn and never will. He lost Saints a CC final a few years back because of his cock sure attitude. This is the problem with these guys - they are too protected and in turn they are turning into mini divas who want the attention to be on them. His billy big balls attitude of 'look at me making decisions' is pathetic. When anything is said either by coaches, owners or fans on social he's melts.

What a stupid rule btw. You can accidently kick someone in the head and it's not a pen, but you accidentally tackle someone high and get a penalised.

I thought I was looking at old pages from Redvee when I read this. Think you'll find that the Saints coach's team selection for that game cost them the cup, not Hicks.

Re: Squad for Wire : Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:33 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

A bit pedantic Grimmy. It certainly isn't play on!


As for the comparison to head high: are you saying Charnley didn't intend making contact? Then why didn't he try to jump over the prone player? He absolutely intended to (as he puts it) "put his boots where Marshall's head was" (sic). I'm not suggesting he tried to injure him purposely but he did intend to...shall we say.."compete" for the ball. It's not dissimilar to when a player slides into the tackle feet first in football and takes the player rather than the ball. It's no use pleading "but I was going for the ball, I didn't intend to make contact". That just doesn't wash.

I don't think he had time to attempt to jump over him to be honest. If he was intending to stick his boot in there (whether going for the ball or not) then it's reckless rather than accidental and should be at least a sin bin, more likely a red given the severity.