Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:14 am  

Trainman wrote:

That one has really irked me. It wasn’t intentional however he was kicked in the head twice which is a penalty. He then goes on to call time off for someone with cramp!

Being unintentionally kicked isn't a penalty, no. They were correct to play on as no tackle had been completed. They would have had no way to restart the game otherwise. I do think they should have gone to the video ref to check whether there was anything intentional from Charnley though.

I think people aren't realising (or are wilfully ignoring) that Marshall was getting medical assistance as the break was happening. Putting time off mid-play wouldn't have got him treatment any quicker than he did get it.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:55 am  

Grimmy wrote:

Being unintentionally kicked isn't a penalty, no. They were correct to play on as no tackle had been completed. They would have had no way to restart the game otherwise. I do think they should have gone to the video ref to check whether there was anything intentional from Charnley though.

I think people aren't realising (or are wilfully ignoring) that Marshall was getting medical assistance as the break was happening. Putting time off mid-play wouldn't have got him treatment any quicker than he did get it.

100% he should have gone to the video ref.

Hicks doesn't learn and never will. He lost Saints a CC final a few years back because of his cock sure attitude. This is the problem with these guys - they are too protected and in turn they are turning into mini divas who want the attention to be on them. His billy big balls attitude of 'look at me making decisions' is pathetic. When anything is said either by coaches, owners or fans on social he's melts.

What a stupid rule btw. You can accidently kick someone in the head and it's not a pen, but you accidentally tackle someone high and get a penalised.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:53 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

100% he should have gone to the video ref.

Hicks doesn't learn and never will. He lost Saints a CC final a few years back because of his cock sure attitude. This is the problem with these guys - they are too protected and in turn they are turning into mini divas who want the attention to be on them. His billy big balls attitude of 'look at me making decisions' is pathetic. When anything is said either by coaches, owners or fans on social he's melts.

What a stupid rule btw. You can accidently kick someone in the head and it's not a pen, but you accidentally tackle someone high and get a penalised.

I'd say the difference is that if you tackle someone high, it's always going to be at least reckless, because you were trying to make contact with them, you've just done it in the wrong place. I would hope that Charnley wasn't trying to make contact with Marshall at all. If he gets penalised for that, then he would also definitely be red carded, by the way, which I'm sure people would be equally up on arms about.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:32 am  

Grimmy wrote:

I'd say the difference is that if you tackle someone high, it's always going to be at least reckless, because you were trying to make contact with them, you've just done it in the wrong place. I would hope that Charnley wasn't trying to make contact with Marshall at all. If he gets penalised for that, then he would also definitely be red carded, by the way, which I'm sure people would be equally up on arms about.

I'm certainly not saying that Charnley did it on purpose. I'm also not expecting a red, or anything. A pen would have been fine.

There's plenty of situations in the game where accidents happen and they, in turn, lead to pens. Someone falling into a tackle & being hit high or being taken out in the air etc. You can't one week say "concussion prevention is the highest importance to the game" and then say a boot to the head isn't worthy of a pen.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:55 am  

Whilst I don’t think it was at all deliberate I do think it was reckless.

Players have an obligation to protect themselves and they also have an obligation to protect their opponent.

Charnley didn’t.

For me it should have been a penalty but ultimately it wasn’t and it’s yesterday’s news.

Despite Lam’s comments and what seemed to be an improvement in attitude we didn’t deserve to win that game regardless although I have to say is the most frustrating performance I’ve seen from us in a long time as the platform was laid for the first time in a long time and we looked to have forgotten how to capitalise.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:30 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I'm certainly not saying that Charnley did it on purpose. I'm also not expecting a red, or anything. A pen would have been fine.

There's plenty of situations in the game where accidents happen and they, in turn, lead to pens. Someone falling into a tackle & being hit high or being taken out in the air etc. You can't one week say "concussion prevention is the highest importance to the game" and then say a boot to the head isn't worthy of a pen.

You can't just stick a penalty on a kick to the head if it's intentional or reckless. It's so dangerous that it's got to be a red card if you're deeming Charnley to be at fault. If it's completely accidental then it's play on. Similar to when a defender cops a stray boot after a tackle when the attacker is wrestling to stand and play the ball. People generally accept those, it's the exact same principle.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:56 am  

Ruddy Duck wrote:

I don't think you will be on your own judging by the size of the crowd at the last home game which cannot be blamed on Covid19

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Sez you. You don't know what's going on inside other people's heads, and neither do I. But i am certainly cautious about going to games, especially away games, and I find it hard to believe I'm the only one. Now you can argue that people's concerns and worries are unfounded, but that's not the point, They surely exist, and will continue to do so for quite some time.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:33 pm  

moto748 wrote:

Sez you. You don't know what's going on inside other people's heads, and neither do I. But i am certainly cautious about going to games, especially away games, and I find it hard to believe I'm the only one. Now you can argue that people's concerns and worries are unfounded, but that's not the point, They surely exist, and will continue to do so for quite some time.

Well the hubby and I aren’t chancing away games this season we will wait till things are a little clearer by next year

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:40 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

100% he should have gone to the video ref.

Hicks doesn't learn and never will. He lost Saints a CC final a few years back because of his cock sure attitude. This is the problem with these guys - they are too protected and in turn they are turning into mini divas who want the attention to be on them. His billy big balls attitude of 'look at me making decisions' is pathetic. When anything is said either by coaches, owners or fans on social he's melts.

What a stupid rule btw. You can accidently kick someone in the head and it's not a pen, but you accidentally tackle someone high and get a penalised.

The difference with the high tackle is that you have intended to tackle. Had Charnley tried to kick the ball and instead accidentally kicked his head he would have been in trouble. However he didn’t try and kick the ball it was an unfortunate set of circumstances and the decision was correct in my view. I have to say I would have gone to the video ref but I don’t think the outcome would have been any different.

Re: Squad for Wire : Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:22 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Being unintentionally kicked isn't a penalty, no. They were correct to play on as no tackle had been completed. They would have had no way to restart the game otherwise. I do think they should have gone to the video ref to check whether there was anything intentional from Charnley though.

I think people aren't realising (or are wilfully ignoring) that Marshall was getting medical assistance as the break was happening. Putting time off mid-play wouldn't have got him treatment any quicker than he did get it.

Yet 2 weeks ago you were saying the ref had to stop a game because he needed to get the medical people on?
Now I know I'm being a bit disingenuous - but the principal is the same
In future when players go down with head knocks as I said on the other thread there should be no need to stop the game as the medical people have all the permissions to enter the field of play. Especially when later in the game we were stopping the game for Cramp! Cramp! for gods sake!!!!

As for the incident - Agree completely it was unintentional.
The ref should have gone to the VR irrespective (And they should look at the Ratchford Hastings coming together).

My opinion - It's a penalty
However - All chip paper now