Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 7:22 am  

oh,dear,how sad,never mind.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 7:49 am  

Its time that some stopped blaming the Coach and faced up to the fact that under Lenagan and Radlinski, the club is now in a mess from top to bottom and a lot of it has to do with a lack of finance.

You only have to look at the club website to see how everything is a shambles. No reports of Academy or Schlorship games, no proper player profiles and players listed as being at the club, but actually playing elsewhere and hardly a day goes by without the club announching a new sponser to boost in order to boost finances.

And supporters should be asking themselves the following questions:-

Why did Sean Edwards give back word on becoming Head Coach?

Why did Sam Tomkins suddenly decide after returning from down under, again for a second time, want out of the club?

Why was Mcllorum who was still the club's best hooker allow to leave in order to fit Powell into the position.

Why did Sean Wane who is 100% Wigan Rugby League Club throw in the towel of being Head Coach?

The answer is Lengan and Radlinski who have taken the club back to the level it was under the ownership of Dave Whelan with a average squad and poor signings.

No matter who is the Coach, he will have the same problems of a first team squad which outside a half dozen or so good class players is mostly made up of average, small and young players and has not the right blend of experience, size and quality players.

Perhaps, the time has come for the club to come under a more dynamic ownership like what happened in the late seventies when the club at the time was also was facing financial problems.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 8:18 am  

Ruddy Duck wrote: Its time that some stopped blaming the Coach and faced up to the fact that under Lenagan and Radlinski, the club is now in a mess from top to bottom and a lot of it has to do with a lack of finance. You only have to look at the club website to see how everything is a shambles. No reports of Academy or Schlorship games, no proper player profiles and players listed as being at the club, but actually playing elsewhere and hardly a day goes by without the club announching a new sponser to boost in order to boost finances. There are literally player profiles on the website. Academy match reports too. We even brought in a billionaire as a large shareholder... And supporters should be asking themselves the following questions:- Why did Sean Edwards give back word on becoming Head Coach? Can’t argue with that. It was handled poorly and on a handshake. Why did Sam Tomkins suddenly decide after returning from down under, again for a second time, want out of the club? Why did he go to the NRL? To challenge himself, better lifestyle. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wiga ... 5185%3famp All the answers you want. Why was Mcllorum who was still the club's best hooker allow to leave in order to fit Powell into the position. The head coach at the time was Shaun Wane. He made the decisions on who he kept and signed, ergo he made the decision to release Micky. A decision I didn’t agree with at the time and still don’t now. Why did Sean Wane who is 100% Wigan Rugby League Club throw in the towel of being Head Coach? Just because someone is ‘100% Wigan Rugby League’ doesn’t mean that person should stay tied to the club for life. He’s achieved everything he wanted with Wigan and made no secret of his desire to coach England and in the NRL. He’s said repeatedly he left because he wanted a new challenge and to concentrate on other ventures. The answer is Lengan and Radlinski who have taken the club back to the level it was under the ownership of Dave Whelan with a average squad and poor signings. No matter who is the Coach, he will have the same problems of a first team squad which outside a half dozen or so good class players is mostly made up of average, small and young players and has not the right blend of experience, size and quality players. Perhaps, the time has come for the club to come under a more dynamic ownership like what happened in the late seventies when the club at the time was also was facing financial problems. Whilst I don’t agree with every decision KR/IL make, you’re being ridiculous. Look at where we’ve come from since IL came in to where we are. Multiple titles and challenge cups with a club World Cup to boot. Heavy investment in the playing staff but also the facilities at Robin Park. We’ve made huge strides to ensuring success rolls on for years to come. You trying to change blame from Lam to IL/KR is laughable. Actually no, it’s embarrassing.

Ruddy Duck wrote: Its time that some stopped blaming the Coach and faced up to the fact that under Lenagan and Radlinski, the club is now in a mess from top to bottom and a lot of it has to do with a lack of finance. You only have to look at the club website to see how everything is a shambles. No reports of Academy or Schlorship games, no proper player profiles and players listed as being at the club, but actually playing elsewhere and hardly a day goes by without the club announching a new sponser to boost in order to boost finances. There are literally player profiles on the website. Academy match reports too. We even brought in a billionaire as a large shareholder... And supporters should be asking themselves the following questions:- Why did Sean Edwards give back word on becoming Head Coach? Can’t argue with that. It was handled poorly and on a handshake. Why did Sam Tomkins suddenly decide after returning from down under, again for a second time, want out of the club? Why did he go to the NRL? To challenge himself, better lifestyle. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wiga ... 5185%3famp All the answers you want. Why was Mcllorum who was still the club's best hooker allow to leave in order to fit Powell into the position. The head coach at the time was Shaun Wane. He made the decisions on who he kept and signed, ergo he made the decision to release Micky. A decision I didn’t agree with at the time and still don’t now. Why did Sean Wane who is 100% Wigan Rugby League Club throw in the towel of being Head Coach? Just because someone is ‘100% Wigan Rugby League’ doesn’t mean that person should stay tied to the club for life. He’s achieved everything he wanted with Wigan and made no secret of his desire to coach England and in the NRL. He’s said repeatedly he left because he wanted a new challenge and to concentrate on other ventures. The answer is Lengan and Radlinski who have taken the club back to the level it was under the ownership of Dave Whelan with a average squad and poor signings. No matter who is the Coach, he will have the same problems of a first team squad which outside a half dozen or so good class players is mostly made up of average, small and young players and has not the right blend of experience, size and quality players. Perhaps, the time has come for the club to come under a more dynamic ownership like what happened in the late seventies when the club at the time was also was facing financial problems. Whilst I don’t agree with every decision KR/IL make, you’re being ridiculous. Look at where we’ve come from since IL came in to where we are. Multiple titles and challenge cups with a club World Cup to boot. Heavy investment in the playing staff but also the facilities at Robin Park. We’ve made huge strides to ensuring success rolls on for years to come. You trying to change blame from Lam to IL/KR is laughable. Actually no, it’s embarrassing.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 8:29 am  

jaws1 wrote:

If Maurice Lyndsey was still here he Lam would have been sacked after the game today with the Hull defeat and now this miserable show ML would have sacked Lam.

And if William the Conqueror was still king, Prince Harry wouldn't be embarrassing the nation nightly for the entertainment of his new American friends, as someone would have been sent to kill him.

But he isn't. And neither is Maurice, and even if he was, he's now 80 years old.

Revising history serves no purpose here.

Maurice was great in a non-salary cap era. But he was hopeless during his second stint. Even with Whelan in charge, a guy who could have run the club with his small change, they managed to comprehensively botch it.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 am  

Cruncher wrote:

And if William the Conqueror was still king, Prince Harry wouldn't be embarrassing the nation nightly for the entertainment of his new American friends, as someone would have been sent to kill him.

But he isn't. And neither is Maurice, and even if he was, he's now 80 years old.

Revising history serves no purpose here.

Maurice was great in a non-salary cap era. But he was hopeless during his second stint. Even with Whelan in charge, a guy who could have run the club with his small change, they managed to comprehensively botch it.

You’ve missed the point.

He’s not wishing for Mo to be back. He’s saying IL should have some backbone like Mo and pull the trigger like Mo would have done.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 8:39 am  

Cruncher wrote:

Maurice was great in a non-salary cap era. But he was hopeless during his second stint. Even with Whelan in charge, a guy who could have run the club with his small change, they managed to comprehensively botch it.

Weird isn't it how some conveniently miss this little nugget out. Not only did they botch it (and nearly killed our club in the process) they had also blatantly overspent on the cap by fiddling the books. They both then compounded this by overspending even more to avoid relegation before chucking their cards in the year after.

Edit - That doesn't mean I don't agree with showing some ML ruthlessness for a change.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 9:09 am  

Rightly, or wrongly IL doesn't sack coaches mid season. He certainly doesn't sack coaches who've won 7/8 games.

I'm not a Lam fan and I want him out, but that's at the end of the year. Sacking a coach is a gut reaction and thankfully IL isn't that stupid. The next coach appointment is hugely important, not only from a recruitment POV but also making sure we have the right guy to look after a talented group of youngsters.

It needs to be done from a position of strength and after a hell of a lot of due diligence.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 9:26 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Rightly, or wrongly IL doesn't sack coaches mid season. He certainly doesn't sack coaches who've won 7/8 games.

I'm not a Lam fan and I want him out, but that's at the end of the year. Sacking a coach is a gut reaction and thankfully IL isn't that stupid. The next coach appointment is hugely important, not only from a recruitment POV but also making sure we have the right guy to look after a talented group of youngsters.

It needs to be done from a position of strength and after a hell of a lot of due diligence.

My personal view is that Lam has had his chance. Despite the games we've won, I don't know any honest fan who feels we've been playing well.

I know he's had challenges to deal with, not least Covid, and a lot of untimely and serious injuries to key personnel, but that could happen to any team and frequently does.

However, I totally agree with you that replacing a coach cannot be done in anger. All that would happen if IL sacked Lam today is that we'd end up with a very inexperienced assistant coach running a team that has been decimated by injury. That would be a recipe for total disaster. Some might argue that he should try to do what Maurice did with Noble, but which coach in SL at present is even close to enjoying the rep that Brian Noble did?

For me, IL needs to do another 'Michael Maguire', i.e take his time to source an exceptional talent in the NRL and persuade him to come over here ... and that's going to take a while.

Perhaps in the meantime, he can look to make some astute signings. I'm not saying stars, as that would cost us a lot and probably couldn't happen until the end of the year anyway. But it must be clear to both him and KR that the current team is nowhere near good enough man-for-man. The injuries to key men has made it look worse than it is, but there are big gaps in that line-up, and they need filling quickly.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 9:34 am  

Is anybody going to give Catalan any credit for how they played? Yes Wigan were poor, error strewn and undisciplined but they were bloody good.

Re: 21 man squad to face Catalans Saturday : Sun May 30, 2021 9:37 am  

Careful for what you wish for. Ian Lenagan has always come across, to me, as a forward thinking chairman and owner with the club’s best interests at heart. There have been a few bad decisions over the years, namely the Millwall and Australia episodes of taking ‘home’ fixtures elsewhere but, on the whole, he is a person you would wish to have in charge, rather than not. This is backed up quite clearly by the number of trophies brought to the club during his tenure.

Yesterday was sh!te with a capital s and yes, recent performances have papered over the cracks to what, on paper, was a decent enough start to the season, Challenge Cup aside. But, to give a bit of balance, the general opinion on here only a few weeks ago was that, if we have a Walmsley at prop, we win the GF rather than finish as runners up.

For me, we have two main problems. Firstly, a manager/head coach who has probably taken us as far as he can and, secondly, a weak and inexperienced pack that needs beefing up considerably. After coming so close last year, it’s hard to take. We’ll have to write this year off, that’s now a given but it’s not the end of the world. The club is still in good shape.