sergeant pepper wrote:
Maybe not heard was the wrong phrase, maybe unable to see a different opinion & being too defensive, or at least that's certainly the case on here. Yesterday is a good example, i spoke about different players who chose loyalty over cash. Cam Smith retiring instead of playing on somewhere else, Bellamy reportedly sticking with the Storm instead of moving home to the broncos (for more cash too). SOL sticking with Wigan and going into the HOF etc. You listen to some posters on here and it's like that doesn't happen and we're just blinkered fans who aren't in the real world.
I agree the stadium won't happen. That's fine, I'm talking more about the simple "stadiums don't work, look at Saints" approach and an inability to be challenged when people say they do. Maybe it's me who just wants to chew the fat on it and others can't be ar$£ed.
Talking about "on the pitch", we've undoubtedly played the game better than most - especially when Wane was here. You said earlier about "short changing" the Wigan public and I wouldn't go as far as saying that's what I meant, but it is right to a certain degree.
Funnily you should mention being entertained. I've said a million times that it's dangerous ground for coaches to go into. Entertainment is subjective and like you, I prefer the hard stuff to the flashy stuff. What coaches can and should do imo is be consistent. That's what Madge did and that's what kept me coming back. No Jekyll and Hyde type stuff, just 100% every week.
A new coach is needed (even though some still think he's the dogs b's). Madge and Holbrook are the examples of not needing a squad refit if the coach is right.
Obviously a lot to go through in both of our responses/posts
But on the being challenged bit, and this is were forums and to an even greater extent twitter and FB don't work
I'm old school, put me in a pub with a pint and we can talk for hours, and I find that most peoples opinions aren't a million miles away from each other.
Put it into this world and most people, and its certainly true of the younger generation (and by the way the younger generation get a raw deal on a lot of things imo so I'm not picking on them or giving it a "back in my day") want to discuss things in soundbites, gifs, 3 word slogans, put downs or can't be arsed explaining what they fully mean.
The response to you saying GW should think about his legacy is a fair point
But the people who have the opposite view are making the same mistake
Its your opinion, its their opinion
And all that matters is GWs and his families opinion
Roby or Lockers not going to NRL isnt a right or wrong decision from our perspective, its only right our wrong from their perspective.
I had long chats with Budgies family before he want to the roosters, they both asked me why I hadn't been mithering them asking what I thought, and it was simple, it doesn't matter what I think, it only matters what he/they think and what their goals/aspirations and life choices are.
Every single person will have their own thoughts on what is important to them and their families at any point in time.
People are too quick to make judgements on things like that basednon their own perspectives.
As soon as you go into lengthy replies (which i am well know for) people get bored and don't want to know, debating through written words is difficult, hence why I'd rather go for a pint and chat.
But both sides have to remember that written responses tend to be back and white were your real feelings are more nuanced.
