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Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 4:39 pm  

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I'm not certain that even the RFL have been able to decide whether Polynesia is race or a place, and I'm worried now that they might have just opened themselves up to a whole raft of claims/reports, based on their press release.

The first paragraph reads: That now means that nationality is classed equally with race?

So calling (for instance) Brian Carney a silly Irish {insert insult here}, or an Aussie calling someone a Pommy {insult}, etc. would be deemed equally offensive to the use of black/n****r/p*ki ???

Surely that can't be right?

Lifting the mood - Surely re-educating Clubb should be fairly simple.
Teach him to use single-word insults, or double-word if he REALLY means it.

In other words, stick to either "c***" or "fxxxing cxxx".

No one has been enslaved, treated as a second class citizen, denied job opportunities etc for being Australian or British. They have, and still do, suffer that for being Polynesian, black etc. That's the difference.
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Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 4:50 pm  

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Grimmy wrote:
No one has been enslaved, treated as a second class citizen, denied job opportunities etc for being Australian or British. They have, and still do, suffer that for being Polynesian, black etc. That's the difference.


Or - and seeing as the post you replied to mentioned it - Being Irish

As I say - Technically a very difficult subject to discuss as some will always say "What about this or what about that".
At the risk of stoking up a whole can of worms from this time last year regarding BLM etc. I just think we should listen more to people who have experienced it, rather than listening to people who are just tired of listening to the response to it.
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Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 4:55 pm  
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Grimmy wrote:
No one has been enslaved, treated as a second class citizen, denied job opportunities etc for being Australian or British. They have, and still do, suffer that for being Polynesian, black etc. That's the difference.


No it isn't the difference.

You can't on one hand say it's ok to say British, Pommy, White etc before the C word and then argue it's not ok to say black, Polynesian, Asian etc before it.

You equally can't be denied a job because of your skin colour (regardless of what it is).

Equality means exactly what it says.
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Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 8:35 pm  
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Grimmy wrote:
No one has been enslaved, treated as a second class citizen, denied job opportunities etc for being Australian or British. They have, and still do, suffer that for being Polynesian, black etc. That's the difference.


Can you give any evidence to support your claim that people are STILL being enslaved or treated as second class citizens for being any ethnicity other than white?

I’m sure they have in the past, I’m no historian, but I’m pretty sure every nation/race on earth has been oppressed at some point in time.

There’s a lot of evidence that white people are actually the ones being denied job opportunities, university places etc. in order to fill some diversity quota, all the while being told that they have “white privilege” and are inherently racist.
Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 8:42 pm  

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Oh dear
And a word of caution to the mods here to keep an eye in this

But just for the previous poster, here it is on your own doorstep

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wiga ... 9458%3famp
Or

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/w ... mes-704050

I won't give too many details about a mate of mine getting beat up last summer in Wigan whilst having racial abuse shouted and screamed at him, 2 of the 4 were women as well
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I thanked him and went on my Merry way!

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Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 9:31 pm  

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No it isn't the difference.

You can't on one hand say it's ok to say British, Pommy, White etc before the C word and then argue it's not ok to say black, Polynesian, Asian etc before it.

You equally can't be denied a job because of your skin colour (regardless of what it is).

Equality means exactly what it says.

You seriously think people aren't denied jobs because of their skin colour? Wow! I'm not saying it should happen or that people openly advertise the fact, but it absolutely does happen. Someone calls me a pommy and it means bugger all to me, it's not associated with any discrimination me or my ancestors have suffered. I've never had it shouted across the street at me, no one has ever attacked me or anyone I've ever met for being White British. That's not the same as insults about being Polynesian, black etc. Pretty much everyone from those backgrounds living here has been through that kind of thing. That's the difference.

Besides all that, I've never heard anyone try to use white or pommy as an insult anyway. I've heard lots of people bring it up when they try to claim we have it just as bad, but I've never actually seen it happen, despite being white and spending a lot of time around antipodeans through rugby.
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Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 10:09 pm  

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Can you give any evidence to support your claim that people are STILL being enslaved or treated as second class citizens for being any ethnicity other than white?

I’m sure they have in the past, I’m no historian, but I’m pretty sure every nation/race on earth has been oppressed at some point in time.

There’s a lot of evidence that white people are actually the ones being denied job opportunities, university places etc. in order to fill some diversity quota, all the while being told that they have “white privilege” and are inherently racist.


Is this Nick Griffin?
Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 10:29 pm  

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Oh dear
And a word of caution to the mods here to keep an eye in this

But just for the previous poster, here it is on your own doorstep

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wiga ... 9458%3famp
Or

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/w ... mes-704050

I won't give too many details about a mate of mine getting beat up last summer in Wigan whilst having racial abuse shouted and screamed at him, 2 of the 4 were women as well

Hope your mate is OK. Maybe try explaining to him that we might theoretically get called poms at some point, and that due to diversity quotas we only have 92% of university places. That should hopefully make him realise how good he has it.
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Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.

The_Enforcer wrote:
Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.
Re: v Hull FC Wed May 05, 2021 10:32 pm  
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You seriously think people aren't denied jobs because of their skin colour? Wow! I'm not saying it should happen or that people openly advertise the fact, but it absolutely does happen. Someone calls me a pommy and it means bugger all to me, it's not associated with any discrimination me or my ancestors have suffered. I've never had it shouted across the street at me, no one has ever attacked me or anyone I've ever met for being White British. That's not the same as insults about being Polynesian, black etc. Pretty much everyone from those backgrounds living here has been through that kind of thing. That's the difference.


I'm not saying that at all, so please don't put words in my mouth.

I am saying that you've completely misunderstood the OP's point. He's saying they've opened themselves up to a potential mind field.

The RFL have drawn a line in the sand and said that you can't use what they describe as "unacceptable language based on national or ethnic origin". I'm all for this, but it does now mean that you can't insert any word based off national or ethnic origins before an insult - that means no Polynesian and no British, Aussie etc too. As much as I understand the sentiment, you can't have it one way and not the other.

Hypothetical situation, but if someone in work is sacked for saying what Clubb has said then that's the precedent. If the next day someone comes in and says "I'm sick of all you white people..." Then they are going to get sacked too. That's the way the law is written - it's equality for everyone not to be discriminated against. Not just those from minority backgrounds. If they didn't sack the 2nd person, then it's also discrimination against the first person etc.

The RFL now, as governing body, have a duty to charge anyone that uses "unacceptable language based on national or ethnic origin". If they don't then, ironically, Clubb could have a claim against them for discrimination.
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Re: v Hull FC Thu May 06, 2021 6:29 am  

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Some people need to learn their history where slavery is concerned as most of the slavery over the centuries has been carried out by people of Africa, Asian and South America countries and not just the period of the cotton and Sugar trade involving our country, Africa and the USA/West Indies in the 18th century.

But what else do you expect when history is no longer taught in education.

p.s. Who do the people who want to pull down statutes think built the pyramids?
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