Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:44 am  

Props at Wigan get a very easy ride. If you can be solid in defence and make 40m a game you're one of the first names on the sheet.

For years now we've flogged our back rowers and outside backs at the expense of props doing any real work.

It's embarrassing when you compare them to actual props who not only do the same work in defence but also do 3x the work with the ball.

I've said for ages what's the actual point in us even having props? Just sign a few more second rowers and play them in that position.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:00 am  

Pemps wrote:

Partington's metres per carry was better than Isa, Byrne, Shorrocks & Smithies. And was only slightly less than Bateman's.

So what? He is down as 3 carries.

[Pemps]

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:37 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

So what? He is down as 3 carries.

His carries are very low, but we don't know what he's been told to do or how to play.
He's the 4th highest tackler with 37. Personally I wouldn't play him at 13.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:34 pm  

Do the stats show possession rate whilst they were on the field, if we only had 20% possession when player x was on the field then they would probably be lower than player y if we had 80% possession when y was on the field, not sure where to look for stats

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:39 pm  

Warrior Winger wrote:

Do the stats show possession rate whilst they were on the field, if we only had 20% possession when player x was on the field then they would probably be lower than player y if we had 80% possession when y was on the field, not sure where to look for stats

Don't think they exist mate, I've never even seen a stat for minutes played, never mind who had the ball during those minutes. I do think it's forgivable for a forward to have a low number of carries if he made lots of tackles though, and vice versa.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:07 pm  

Agree with the previously mentioned "Props get an easier ride at Wigan" For years we had backs that made 100 mtrs plus with Gelling Charnley and Sarginson. They, and other backs, made a large contribution to the squad's meters gained stat,
Now most of our backs are missing those filling their places can't and won't make those meters.
That leaves only one option and that is the props step up.
Now if we all know this then the opposition coaches will most certainly know it.
The remedy is for the coaching staff to change the tactics slightly to allow the props or meter maker more space and opportunity to gain ground.
Wakefield have some big men in their pack and their backs are hardly small either.
This game is as much a challenge for the coaching staff as the players and I'm more than certain they are capable of it.

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:58 pm  

Sutton for Canberra ran for 177 meters and made 47 tackles. When can we expect something similar from our props?

Re: The Prop Problem : Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:44 pm  

Levrier wrote:

Sutton for Canberra ran for 177 meters and made 47 tackles. When can we expect something similar from our props?

Didn't people say he wasn't good enough for Wigan?

Re: The Prop Problem : Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:14 am  

Levrier wrote:

Sutton for Canberra ran for 177 meters and made 47 tackles. When can we expect something similar from our props?

calculate metres different over there

Re: The Prop Problem : Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:59 am  

Pieman wrote:

calculate metres different over there

They do, I think they do it from when they catch the ball, not positive post line advantage meters.

Either way he is turning into an outstanding player. With both ball in hand and in defence.

I have to say I was never a massive fan of his until his last year at Wigan when I thought he was fantastic. Prior to that he seemed to make a lot of basic errors and put a lot of ball down.

Thought when he got his chances last year at Canberra he showed up really well, but so far this year he has taken his game to another level. He looks to have been working very hard in the gym too.

I’m not sure he is a prop these days though. Even in the days of “middles” he looks to be playing more like a secondrow/loose rather than a prop/loose.

On current form I’d have to say though he should be nailed on for an England shirt probably the starting 13 shirt.