Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 5:04 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

I understand Clarke because he’s dreadful. It doesn’t Kilner playing kinda do your own point about young props? I do agree though that our over reliance on young props isn’t healthy and, sadly, about Byrne. Our props are just solid, the type you do need in a team but the problem is they go alongside the big metre eaters and compliment that type and vice versa

Unless we sign someone there's not much we can do about relying on the young props though, so adding another into the mix is one of our very limited number of options. I'm not saying Kilner is answer - he's only played one senior game and there must be a reason why the coaching staff aren't picking him but it's puzzling that we'd be happy with 5 minutes of Bullock and using so many smaller back rowers down the middle rather than giving him a game off the bench.

I think Clark is the one who possibly deserves another chance. He was really poor last year but he's not the only player to have a poor first season. He's been kept at the club and only a few weeks ago Lam said we'd cancelled his move to Toulouse because he's needed. He played in pre-season and was actually our best prop on that day. I don't see why we haven't just put him on the bench for a game and challenged him to show what he's got.

I know there's an argument that you don't change a winning team but there are more than enough examples in every sport of teams repeatedly changing a few personnel around every game and still winning. We've looked laboured in several games already this year - our props have rarely excelled and surely it's a case of constantly seeking to improve and putting pressure on players to perform rather than unnecessary tinkering.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 5:06 pm  

Quite ironic it was the type of game where Clubb would have been useful.

Whilst he may offer very little what he does bring is the ability to get in the opposition and disrupt them.

At the moment he’s the only prop we have that doesn’t get bullied for the 10 minutes he is in the pitch.

We needed someone to disrupt the Hull lads today, relying on young lads to do that simply isn’t going to happen.

We need a Scott Logan type signing. A grafter with size and a bit of dog in him.

After a great start to his Wigan career Singleton has been poor so far in 21.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 5:08 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

He’s still dreadful

says a lot about our current props then

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 5:10 pm  

jonh wrote:

Quite ironic it was the type of game where Clubb would have been useful.

Whilst he may offer very little what he does bring is the ability to get in the opposition and disrupt them.

At the moment he’s the only prop we have that doesn’t get bullied for the 10 minutes he is in the pitch.

We needed someone to disrupt the Hull lads today, relying on young lads to do that simply isn’t going to happen.

We need a Scott Logan type signing. A grafter with size and a bit of dog in him.

After a great start to his Wigan career Singleton has been poor so far in 21.

Do you think we could sign a rag tag bunch of props from SL and they'd improve us?

I genuinely think that we've got one of the worst middles in the league.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 5:14 pm  

Singleton has been a shadow of his 2020 self so far this season not sure what’s going on with him

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 5:30 pm  

Singleton's former self was his current self IMO - average-to-okay at best. He was 4th/5th choice prop at Leeds and now he's our number 1 prop? It's very confusing.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 5:52 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Do you think we could sign a rag tag bunch of props from SL and they'd improve us?

I genuinely think that we've got one of the worst middles in the league.

I think if you swap out props for most other teams props we do the double.

Watching the Cas v Salford semi and I’d take all 4 Cas props at Wigan.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 6:00 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Singleton's former self was his current self IMO - average-to-okay at best. He was 4th/5th choice prop at Leeds and now he's our number 1 prop? It's very confusing.

That’s just not true though is it?

He was a regular in a team that was winning trophies.

He had a fall out with David Furner and was basically told he had no future at Leeds because of it.

He’s a quality player but he really is struggling this year no doubt.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 6:04 pm  

jonh wrote:

I think if you swap out props for most other teams props we do the double.

Watching the Cas v Salford semi and I’d take all 4 Cas props at Wigan.

I agree and it's equally frustrating and an opportunity.

I've said a few times that we won't find a group like Saints have, but we don't need that. A couple of journeymen would massively improve us.

Surely there's room in the cap to bring in a couple of those player's?

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat May 08, 2021 6:23 pm  

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