Re: The Prop Problem : Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:20 pm  

moto748 wrote:

I am aware of the 'give 10' rule. And the kicker playing team-mates onside.

So if you are aware of that, what is your confusion over the way teams use the rule then?

Re: The Prop Problem : Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:37 pm  

I don't think I am confused. I never said I was.

I am saying I believe penalties are not being awarded when they should be. Other posters appear to saying that the officials wouldn't get that, wrong (or perhaps that I don't understand the relevant rules) so I therefore I must be mistaken.

Re: The Prop Problem : Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:39 pm  

moto748 wrote:

I don't think I am confused. I never said I was.

I am saying I believe penalties are not being awarded when they should be. Other posters appear to saying that the officials wouldn't get that, wrong (or perhaps that I don't understand the relevant rules) so I therefore I must be mistaken.

Just the wording of the comment regarding the downtown chase on the kicks came across as if you were unsure of the rules.

To be fair I find the refs very good and vocal on these situations and generally the players do give the carrier the space, although it’s rarely 10m, much more like 7/8m.

It’s on the cross field kicks where it’s more of a challenge to call players because the margins are usually so fine.

Re: The Prop Problem : Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:29 pm  

jonh wrote:

Just the wording of the comment regarding the downtown chase on the kicks came across as if you were unsure of the rules.

To be fair I find the refs very good and vocal on these situations and generally the players do give the carrier the space, although it’s rarely 10m, much more like 7/8m.

It’s on the cross field kicks where it’s more of a challenge to call players because the margins are usually so fine.

Agreed. It's the hardest part of the game to officiate. There will be errors but not regular.

Re: The Prop Problem : Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:00 am  

Trent Barrett was a master at the Cross field kick then sprinting forward in a straight line to play everyone onside . Player's lack of knowledge of the rules is a problem IMO these days.

Regards EW

Re: The Prop Problem : Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:31 pm  

Edinburgh Warrior wrote:

Trent Barrett was a master at the Cross field kick then sprinting forward in a straight line to play everyone onside . Player's lack of knowledge of the rules is a problem IMO these days.

Regards EW

I think they all know it but it's a trade off. On a long downfield kick the forwards will often set off well ahead of the kick knowing that they'll have to give 10 (which is better than getting there when they would have done if they set off in line with the kicker). That leaves the kicker no opportunity to run them onside. Plus teams generally like to get kick pressure on, meaning the kicker goes to ground and can't run anyone onside, and even risks getting caught in possession if he doesn't stand deep enough.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:10 am  

jonh wrote:

Just the wording of the comment regarding the downtown chase on the kicks came across as if you were unsure of the rules.

To be fair I find the refs very good and vocal on these situations and generally the players do give the carrier the space, although it’s rarely 10m, much more like 7/8m.

It’s on the cross field kicks where it’s more of a challenge to call players because the margins are usually so fine.

I find the refs often shout give 10 and it literally looks like 5meters given. (In situations where kicker hasn’t become furthest on the chase)

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:49 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

I find the refs often shout give 10 and it literally looks like 5meters given. (In situations where kicker hasn’t become furthest on the chase)

Yeah it should be 10 but I'd agree with that. Don't forget it's 10 in any direction though, so if a player is running sideways or diagonally he won't get 10 metres forward.

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:41 pm  

jonh wrote:

Just the wording of the comment regarding the downtown chase on the kicks came across as if you were unsure of the rules.

To be fair I find the refs very good and vocal on these situations and generally the players do give the carrier the space, although it’s rarely 10m, much more like 7/8m.

It’s on the cross field kicks where it’s more of a challenge to call players because the margins are usually so fine.

Just watching CC cas kick 3 players offside Roby knocked on, ball to cas either the touch judge or ref not looking at players

Re: The Prop Problem : Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:02 pm  

I’ve no idea what set of rules we are playing to each game I watch any more.