FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  
 Current LIVE TV Match : Hull Kingston Rovers 34 - 10 Hull FC LIVE ON SKY SPORTS Full Time.
WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Mossop
Grimmy 
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach15436
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 16 200519 years195th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 11:3014th Dec 23 10:22LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Frank Zappa wrote:
Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.

The_Enforcer wrote:
Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.

Re: Mossop : Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:55 am  
Pie_Eyter wrote:
Why was Johnstone a daft suggestion? im baffled by you. We need 3 wingers at this club. Marshall is out for a year, Manfredi has injury problems and looks to be on the wane a little and we have no cover. Is it really arrogant to suggest that we could poach Salford's coach. Maybe it is but there are only a few clubs capable. Its the nature of life. Salford sign players from clubs lower than them, we sign players from the likes of Salford. It's just how it is and has always been. If you can't see that then where have you been?

Johnstone - I've told you why in the post you quoted. We are working to a salary cap. He would (rightly) command a decent amount of cap space. We are already paying for two starting wingers so you either expect him to play for peanuts or want to leave us really short elsewhere. I agree we need wing backup but realistically it needs to be someone cheaper than him, maybe a loanee, promising youngster, someone from the Championship or someone who isn't getting a game in the NRL. That's what's realistic in our situation, not one of the best wingers in the league when we are already using cap space on two starters.

You keep talking about Salford like they're Swinton :lol: they were just one pass away from winning the Challenge Cup, and knocked us out of the play offs before that to make the Grand Final.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4469
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20 201311 years85th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
12th Sep 23 17:4931st Aug 23 13:19LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Watching Rugby League

Re: Mossop : Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:29 pm  
Grimmy wrote:
Johnstone - I've told you why in the post you quoted. We are working to a salary cap. He would (rightly) command a decent amount of cap space. We are already paying for two starting wingers so you either expect him to play for peanuts or want to leave us really short elsewhere. I agree we need wing backup but realistically it needs to be someone cheaper than him, maybe a loanee, promising youngster, someone from the Championship or someone who isn't getting a game in the NRL. That's what's realistic in our situation, not one of the best wingers in the league when we are already using cap space on two starters.

You keep talking about Salford like they're Swinton :lol: they were just one pass away from winning the Challenge Cup, and knocked us out of the play offs before that to make the Grand Final.


Exactly that. What club has 3 first choice wingers on a first choice wingers salary? Warrington have been playing Jake Mamo there because Lineham is suspended. Saints were playing a young kid when Makinson was out.

If we bring TJ in (which is a huge risk with his injury issues) then one of Marshall or Manfredi has to go and the likes of Bibby will be 3rd choice. Otherwise we potentially lose a forward from somewhere.
RankPostsTeam
International Star1426No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 27 201311 years301st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Nov 22 21:4021st Sep 22 16:48LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Mossop : Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:37 pm  
And yet given how sluggish we have looked with Bibby covering the wing I could still see Hanley getting a game there. I notice that a good u19s winger Holcroft has been allowed to leave.
RankPostsTeam
International Star2088
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 07 200914 years286th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
2nd Mar 24 18:0921st Nov 23 08:40LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Mossop : Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:27 pm  
Levrier wrote:
And yet given how sluggish we have looked with Bibby covering the wing I could still see Hanley getting a game there. I notice that a good u19s winger Holcroft has been allowed to leave.


Did you rate Holcroft? He was a hard worker but I can't say I ever thought he was potentially Super League quality when I saw him play. Didn't seem lightning quick. Was big but not necessarily the strongest of ball carriers. Cian Tyrer seemed the most impressive winger we had, but he looks a bit small for a modern winger.

***

On the original subject, I would guess that Mossop has moved on and is happy playing where he is. If he were to leave Salford there would be plenty of interested parties and it may be that he wouldn't want to come back and would just look for the next new challenge. He's already been successful with Wigan. The desire to return may not be particularly strong.

It's also likely that his value to other clubs would be higher than his potential value to us. For some clubs he'd be considered an excellent pack leader and a top level signing. For us he'd probably be considered a solid front row option. We'd probably have to pay over the odds to get him and for someone who will be 32 at the start of next season that's a risk we probably don't have to take.

With salary cap constraints and a lot of money being spent on Burgess I think we'd have to try to find a decent prop who might not break the bank. Someone who is working hard in a less fancied team or maybe has one or two things to work on but could be a good addition. Players like Tinirau Arona at Wakefield or Robbie Mulhern at Hull KR.
RankPostsTeam
International Star1426No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 27 201311 years301st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Nov 22 21:4021st Sep 22 16:48LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Mossop : Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:59 pm  
Cherry.Pie wrote:
Did you rate Holcroft? He was a hard worker but I can't say I ever thought he was potentially Super League quality when I saw him play. Didn't seem lightning quick. Was big but not necessarily the strongest of ball carriers. Cian Tyrer seemed the most impressive winger we had, but he looks a bit small for a modern winger.

***

.

We will probably see him back as a prop in a few years.
Grimmy 
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach15436
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 16 200519 years195th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 11:3014th Dec 23 10:22LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Frank Zappa wrote:
Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.

The_Enforcer wrote:
Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.

Re: Mossop : Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:44 pm  
Egg Chasing wrote:
Exactly that. What club has 3 first choice wingers on a first choice wingers salary? Warrington have been playing Jake Mamo there because Lineham is suspended. Saints were playing a young kid when Makinson was out.

If we bring TJ in (which is a huge risk with his injury issues) then one of Marshall or Manfredi has to go and the likes of Bibby will be 3rd choice. Otherwise we potentially lose a forward from somewhere.

What you mean if we signed Johnstone that Marshall or Manfredi wouldn't just gladly take a paycut and patiently sit on the sidelines until called upon? Surely they would rather be part of the greatest club in the world than than get guaranteed first team appearances and more money elsewhere. We are Wigan after all.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain4638
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 05 20159 years191st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 16:2823rd Mar 24 14:44LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Mossop : Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:54 am  
How certain is it Marshall will get back to 100% fitness?
Ruddy Duck 
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member
JoinedServiceReputation
22 years302nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Jan 70 00:0020th Jun 22 17:41LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Mossop : Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:00 am  
Pie_Eyter wrote:
Why was Johnstone a daft suggestion? im baffled by you. We need 3 wingers at this club. Marshall is out for a year, Manfredi has injury problems and looks to be on the wane a little and we have no cover. Is it really arrogant to suggest that we could poach Salford's coach. Maybe it is but there are only a few clubs capable. Its the nature of life. Salford sign players from clubs lower than them, we sign players from the likes of Salford. It's just how it is and has always been. If you can't see that then where have you been?


Correct, except that clubs like Salford also pick up the cast off players of bigger clubs like Wigan, some of whom then play better for them.
.
Pieman 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4715No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 14 201014 years231st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
26th Mar 24 18:4923rd Dec 23 10:55LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Atherton

Re: Mossop : Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:25 pm  
Ruddy Duck wrote:
Correct, except that clubs like Salford also pick up the cast off players of bigger clubs like Wigan, some of whom then play better for them.
.


who?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star517No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 20 201211 years239th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 07:2429th Mar 24 07:24LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Manchester

Re: Mossop : Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:00 pm  
Pieman wrote:
who?




Dudson
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: moto748, roo67, Stanfax and 272 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wigan Warriors


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
56067
2m
The Record-Breaking Good Friday Derby Massacre
RC15
238
4m
Why have so many big clubs given up on the field
FlexWheeler
1
5m
Early Season Double for Hull KR Over Neighbours FC
RLFANS News
1
10m
Rd 6 I Cas A
rollin thund
138
25m
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
Trojan Horse
38
29m
Hull FC
BarnsleyGull
38
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25s
TV games not Wire
matt_wire
2876
26s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
34340
31s
Protest
Chris71
15
31s
Early Season Double for Hull KR Over Neighbours FC
RLFANS News
1
46s
Hull FC
BarnsleyGull
38
48s
Surprise Surprise
Dunkirk Spir
64
49s
Smith - should he stay or should he go
B0NES
369
50s
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
1m
Early Season Double for Hull KR Over Neighbours FC
RLFANS News
1
1m
Other Championship Clubs
FOREVERTRIN
98
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Why have so many big clubs given up on the field
FlexWheeler
1
TODAY
Early Season Double for Hull KR Over Neighbours FC
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Protest
Chris71
15
TODAY
New Investors
BullRaider
2
TODAY
Wigan/Saints
Douglas Blac
3
TODAY
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
York - 14th April
PopTart
23
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
WYSIWYG2
5
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
CW8
19
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
AdamH
1
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
thesaint71
27
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
TODAY
Wardle
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Huddersfield - Home
Deadcowboys1
9
TODAY
Max Wood on loan to Bradford 2 weeks
rubber ducki
7
TODAY
Jake Wardle 5 Year deal
Zig
22
TODAY
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
Trojan Horse
38
TODAY
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangements
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Early Season Double for Hull K..
41
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhino..
183
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
605
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
724
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
603
Warrington Demolish London For..
706
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
765
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
741
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
984
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
945
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1094
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1062
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1132
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1104
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3888