Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:36 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Why is he not already in Super League then?

Same could be said for multiple players over the years, not saying your wrong but as always i would give the lad chance to prove his worth. Hopefully hes a good un. Hopefully the fans don't expect too much from him instantly which is what our fans tend to do. If he doesn’t score 3 trys in first half of his first game then hes crap?

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Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:40 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Why is he not already in Super League then?

Probably the same reason as Hamlin, or all these Fifian wingers that Hull find. No one has seen them play properly. SL clubs scouting networks perhaps don't spread as far as the lower leagues in Australia. It doesn't appear that ours spreads much further than looking at lads who've previously played for us.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:45 pm  

jonh wrote:

I don’t believe I quoted you or mentioned you as saying anything.

What I can do though is look back over this thread both the last few pages and more that see Wigan fans calling the club out over ambition, financial position and recruitment policy over nothing more than rumours.

I fully appreciate the desire to comment on players when we are linked with them, but to call our ambition and the rest over players we haven’t actually signed I find bizarre.

You didn’t need to.

Calling our ambition into question when we’re (rumoured) to be signing our own rejects is anything but bizarre. It’s a perfectly valid question. I don’t expect our ambition to be your Addo-Carr’s et al but it should be higher than Gelling or Thornley. I can’t actually believe some are happy for those type of players to be signed in all honesty. You wouldn’t see Saints wanting to sign back Lee Gaskell or Andre Savelio precisely because they aren’t good enough.

Perhaps I was unfair in including Minski. I’ve heard little about him (which I accept also means nothing) and added him to - GW aside - an uninspiring list. I still stand by my comment that if those are the type of players were looking at there’s no point in getting rid of Lam.

From what I can tell we need 3 positions; a metre eating aggressive prop, a centre and to a lesser extent a HB. But just because we need those positions doesn’t mean we should settle for players who are just not good enough for this club. Saying that my comments surrounding that are bizarre is stupendously bizarre in itself.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:55 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Why is he not already in Super League then?

Maybe because he needed to go play Championship and prove himself first, or maybe he has improved with regular game time. I'd accept that argument if he was older and had been in the Championship for years, but it looks to me more like he's just needed the opportunity to showcase his talents at a decent level. We also don't know whether he was offered a SL contract. Maybe it was a choice between being an SL reserve (when there is no reserves league) on low money or a starter at London on better money.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:30 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

From what I can tell we need 3 positions; a metre eating aggressive prop, a centre and to a lesser extent a HB. But just because we need those positions doesn’t mean we should settle for players who are just not good enough for this club. Saying that my comments surrounding that are bizarre is stupendously bizarre in itself.

So when you sign the metre eating prop and the HB and you have little budget/cap left. What do you do about a centre?

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:32 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

You didn’t need to.

Calling our ambition into question when we’re (rumoured) to be signing our own rejects is anything but bizarre. It’s a perfectly valid question. I don’t expect our ambition to be your Addo-Carr’s et al but it should be higher than Gelling or Thornley. I can’t actually believe some are happy for those type of players to be signed in all honesty. You wouldn’t see Saints wanting to sign back Lee Gaskell or Andre Savelio precisely because they aren’t good enough.

Perhaps I was unfair in including Minski. I’ve heard little about him (which I accept also means nothing) and added him to - GW aside - an uninspiring list. I still stand by my comment that if those are the type of players were looking at there’s no point in getting rid of Lam.

From what I can tell we need 3 positions; a metre eating aggressive prop, a centre and to a lesser extent a HB. But just because we need those positions doesn’t mean we should settle for players who are just not good enough for this club. Saying that my comments surrounding that are bizarre is stupendously bizarre in itself.

Someone seems a little paranoid, or maybe self consumed when I didn’t quote or reference you.

I was merely responding to the general tone every time we are linked with a player.

There may be absolutely no truth in any of these rumours at all. None. Some however chose to use the rumours which could be totally false and have absolutely zero truth to use them as facts to argue about the ambition of the club etc.

It’s clearly great to discuss potential new signings and rumours but to use them as a vehicle to attack the club when there may be no substance to them at all is simply idiotic.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:43 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

So when you sign the metre eating prop and the HB and you have little budget/cap left. What do you do about a centre?

Obvious isn't it?

Play a young lad in there, make him a scapegoat and crucify the hell out of him. Especially when he gets shown up by "dross" like Thornley.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:10 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

So when you sign the metre eating prop and the HB and you have little budget/cap left. What do you do about a centre?

The meter making props salary could surely be covered by a combination of - Burgess being off the cap, Flower left and wasn't replaced (Maybe contract upgrades ate away at this?), Bullock is rumoured to be off and Clubbs contract isn't getting renewed.

HB salary will be covered by Hastings leaving

Centre salary covered by Gildart leaving

Not sure what the issue is.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:19 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

The meter making props salary could surely be covered by a combination of - Burgess being off the cap, Flower left and wasn't replaced (Maybe contract upgrades ate away at this?), Bullock is rumoured to be off and Clubbs contract isn't getting renewed.

HB salary will be covered by Hastings leaving

Centre salary covered by Gildart leaving

Not sure what the issue is.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:21 pm  

To be fair I had forgotten about Field who will probably let provide cover for the half positions so no real need to recruit there I wouldn’t think, assuming we are replacing Hastings, possibly with Williams.

Smith, Williams with Field as cover would be a fairly strong 3.