: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:40 pm  

Steve Ella's Beard wrote:

2 words, Whitbred and Stand

Please don't rake up that ghost again.

I know a bloke who is a sort of accountant whizz kid who has an interest with Wigan RL, after so many years you can access companies or clubs financial records and he did this and we were paying out so much for win bonus'.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:42 pm  

Steve Ella's Beard wrote:

2 words, Whitbred and Stand

Please don't rake up that ghost again.

In the late 80s Wigan were budgeting on winning at Wembley ever year, when that stopped we were always up shite creek without a paddle. Any book keeper with an AAT qualification would tell you what would happen, but we still did it. That is the main reason we got into the mess we did. While the stand was a contributing factor it was built on the ego of board members who stupidly thought we'd never stop winning.

: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:09 pm  

Under the CC win bonuses are not workable.

That's the end of the matter.


I stand by my comments.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:15 am  

Wigan/Leeds Andy wrote:

In the late 80s Wigan were budgeting on winning at Wembley ever year, when that stopped we were always up shite creek without a paddle. Any book keeper with an AAT qualification would tell you what would happen, but we still did it. That is the main reason we got into the mess we did. While the stand was a contributing factor it was built on the ego of board members who stupidly thought we'd never stop winning.

I have to wonder about this, there's a photo in the JJB of a winning check for the league for £20k, how much was the winning purse for the CC at this time and how would not winning actually cost verses the cost of building a stand?

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:21 am  

Ridiculous thread.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:24 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Under the CC win bonuses are not workable.

That's the end of the matter.


I stand by my comments.

They are easily workable. Very very easily.

Problem is some players would be on those types of contracts while other players would have legacy contracts not on the same basis until they were up for renewal.

But that would be the case regardless of the "CC".

Re: bring back win bonus : Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:41 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Two words that prevent that.


Communist and Cap.

I was thinking of Mimimum Wage

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:57 am  

alanpdodd wrote:

I have to wonder about this, there's a photo in the JJB of a winning check for the league for £20k, how much was the winning purse for the CC at this time and how would not winning actually cost verses the cost of building a stand?

Prize money is a drop in the ocean compared to the revenue generated by the commercial activities from getting to the cup final and cut of the Wembley gate receipts that finalists got in the past.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:40 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

They are easily workable. Very very easily.

Problem is some players would be on those types of contracts while other players would have legacy contracts not on the same basis until they were up for renewal.

But that would be the case regardless of the "CC".

Big teams such as ourselves struggle to keep within the CC without win bonuses.

How on earth are we supposed to attract talent whilst reserving a slice of the CC for win bonuses?


It's one of the major shortcomings of the CC - once a player signs a contract, he can essentially sit on his ar$e for 3 years or so.


There is very little a club can do to rectify this situation and remain competitive.


Still at least Huddersfield are second eh?

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:41 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Big teams such as ourselves struggle to keep within the CC without win bonuses.

How on earth are we supposed to attract talent whilst reserving a slice of the CC for win bonuses?


It's one of the major shortcomings of the CC - once a player signs a contract, he can essentially sit on his ar$e for 3 years or so.


There is very little a club can do to rectify this situation and remain competitive.


Still at least Huddersfield are second eh?

win bonuses are a cracking idea, but unworkable.

what player would sign a contract today where winning depended on him getting paid?

we could always bring in a club rule that any player deemed to not be pulling his weight on the field could be fined up to a weeks wages????

players might sign then if they knew their pay was in thier own hands and out of the hands of sub standard team mates
and if we fine em enough we might have enough to sign a decent prop