: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:08 pm  

WigansForeignLegion wrote:

On loan please, was it not yourself that said the reserves would impede the progress of Josh Vievers?

The key to loaning someone out is having the demand for the player in question

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:42 pm  

WigansForeignLegion wrote:

On loan please, was it not yourself that said the reserves would impede the progress of Josh Vievers?

I don't recall saying that, but it's a good point.

Trouble is, I'm not sure who we could loan him to. His form last season was mostly dire.

Not a good signing, I'm afraid to say. At least, not on the evidence of what we've seen so far.

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:57 pm  

Elle Coco wrote:

The key to loaning someone out is having the demand for the player in question

True, I even advocated the Riversiders A side but they were having none of it!

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:31 pm  

miscreant wrote:

Jinkin Jimmy, if you thought O'Loughlin played well on Sunday then I suggest its you who doesn't know what he's watching.

Who made the most handling errors for Wigan ? O'Loughlin with 3.

Only two players - Mathers and kick-mad Smith - made less average metres per carry according to the official stats. His offensive game was poor.

All players can be assessed, you know. There are no exceptions, even Andy Farrell's brother-in-law, and I don't see why he should go under the radar.

Having said all that, I concede that it was his first starting appearance since May and that he'll take time to get back into it at this level.

Again, it comes down to team selection. Did Joel Tomkins really deserve to be on the bench after the way he finished last season ? I think not.

Then again, if you look at the official stats, Mathers made 0 errors in Sunday's game.

Shows you how much faith you should put in statistics, doesn't it?

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:37 pm  

Jack Kerley wrote:

Then again, if you look at the official stats, Mathers made 0 errors in Sunday's game.

Shows you how much faith you should put in statistics, doesn't it?

It does.

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:45 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

This is the thing about Mathers. Everyone who meets him seems to like him. But if you're not good enough you're not good enough.

The best thing (for both him and us) is a couple of months in the reserves to see if he can pull it together.

They said that about Hitler !!

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:02 pm  

Jinkin Jimmy, the link is quite simple.

O'Loughlin hadn't played a game of SL since May. And in my opinion he was as poor as most others on Sunday, not least in the leadership department where Wigan were left sadly lacking.

He ought to have started the game on the bench with Tomkins in the first XIII. Make him earn his place back in the starting line-up and regain his match fitness, for this level, gradually.

That's in my humble opinion, of course. And we're all entitled to one of those.

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:07 pm  

miscreant wrote:

Jinkin Jimmy, the link is quite simple.

O'Loughlin hadn't played a game of SL since May. And in my opinion he was as poor as most others on Sunday, not least in the leadership department where Wigan were left sadly lacking.

He ought to have started the game on the bench with Tomkins in the first XIII. Make him earn his place back in the starting line-up and regain his match fitness, for this level, gradually.

That's in my humble opinion, of course. And we're all entitled to one of those.

Do you seriously believe that Tomkins is a better player than Lockers? From what I can gather Lockers has been our best forward in the pre-season.

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:15 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

Do you seriously believe that Tomkins is a better player than Lockers? From what I can gather Lockers has been our best forward in the pre-season.

I think the fair thing would be to have them both in the starting line up. Tomkins on the place he earned last season and OLoughlin from good pre-season performances.
I dont think its fair to say Tomkins should keep OLoughlin out of the team/on the bench etc. But at the same time Tomkins doesnt deserve to lose his starting place on the basis of what was seen last year.

: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:58 pm  

Still no news. http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary.php

Still no news. http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary.php