Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 6:54 am  

Jason65 wrote:

So YG,
Are you not struggling ?
Are your (some )players not coming to the end (careers ) ?
Is your discipline that needs to be sorted affecting the team ?
Are some players not as good as in the past ?
Have you some players that are not grub like (Knowles for one )
Your coach (nice bloke)hasnt the skills of say Woolf (not yet anyway)
Which one of these are not true ?
That said once sorted you could become a force again,the table doesnt lie.

I assume you’ve aimed this at me as I “laughed” at your previous post.

Firstly I’ll explain why I did that.

You say we will struggle to win anything this year - we’ve already won the World Club Challenge.
You say as a force we are shot to pieces - yet every bookie and the majority of pundits in the land still has us as favourites to win it.
We were apparently lucky to get to last years final - I assume this is because the semi final was a close contest. I apologise for not winning it in a more comfortable fashion.

So that’s why your post was funny.

Now moving on to your next post:

Are you not struggling ? - I’ve mentioned previously we aren’t at the standards of previous years currently.

Are your (some )players not coming to the end (careers ) ? - Yes. This will be the case at almost every club almost every year. It’s called biology.

Is your discipline that needs to be sorted affecting the team ?
Yes. Very much so.

Are some players not as good as in the past ? Yes. See answer 2.

Have you some players that are not grub like (Knowles for one ) Yes - See answer 3.

Your coach (nice bloke)hasnt the skills of say Woolf (not yet anyway) - We don’t know yet. He’s been in charge for less than half a season which has been far from the ordinary but does have the World Club Challenge under his belt. Not bad for someone who’s just a nice bloke.

That said once sorted you could become a force again,the table doesnt lie. - Spot on. The table doesn’t lie. The same table that will show you that should we win our game in hand (Huddersfield at home so it’s likely) we will be 2 points behind you in 2nd place. Would we then be a “force” again?

It seems that you are prematurely writing us off which is truly bizarre as you’d think people would’ve learned by now. No Saints fan is naive to think we aren’t quite at the races yet but nobody is really panicking yet bar the odd clown.

You seem to be setting yourself and licking your lips at the fact we are “shot to pieces” and no longer a force. Genuinely you’re just setting yourself up for a fall. I seem to recall last season you telling us Wigan would win the double too and look how that turned out. Why any fans of any club boldly write off their rivals like you are doing I will never know. Especially when said rival is still the team to beat in the eyes of most people with half a brain.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 7:41 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

I assume you’ve aimed this at me as I “laughed” at your previous post.

Firstly I’ll explain why I did that.

You say we will struggle to win anything this year - we’ve already won the World Club Challenge.
You say as a force we are shot to pieces - yet every bookie and the majority of pundits in the land still has us as favourites to win it.
We were apparently lucky to get to last years final - I assume this is because the semi final was a close contest. I apologise for not winning it in a more comfortable fashion.

So that’s why your post was funny.

Now moving on to your next post:

Are you not struggling ? - I’ve mentioned previously we aren’t at the standards of previous years currently.

Are your (some )players not coming to the end (careers ) ? - Yes. This will be the case at almost every club almost every year. It’s called biology.

Is your discipline that needs to be sorted affecting the team ?
Yes. Very much so.

Are some players not as good as in the past ? Yes. See answer 2.

Have you some players that are not grub like (Knowles for one ) Yes - See answer 3.

Your coach (nice bloke)hasnt the skills of say Woolf (not yet anyway) - We don’t know yet. He’s been in charge for less than half a season which has been far from the ordinary but does have the World Club Challenge under his belt. Not bad for someone who’s just a nice bloke.

That said once sorted you could become a force again,the table doesnt lie. - Spot on. The table doesn’t lie. The same table that will show you that should we win our game in hand (Huddersfield at home so it’s likely) we will be 2 points behind you in 2nd place. Would we then be a “force” again?

It seems that you are prematurely writing us off which is truly bizarre as you’d think people would’ve learned by now. No Saints fan is naive to think we aren’t quite at the races yet but nobody is really panicking yet bar the odd clown.

You seem to be setting yourself and licking your lips at the fact we are “shot to pieces” and no longer a force. Genuinely you’re just setting yourself up for a fall. I seem to recall last season you telling us Wigan would win the double too and look how that turned out. Why any fans of any club boldly write off their rivals like you are doing I will never know. Especially when said rival is still the team to beat in the eyes of most people with half a brain.

The same guy that wrote us off last year too and said we would win nothing.

We are miles away from the last few seasons in terms of quality, intensity and our defence which was our biggest strength under Woolf.

However… we win our game in hand and we are 2pts behind Wigan and we play them in a couple of weeks.

We sort our discipline out (easier said than done admittedly when every week we have a player banned) then with some luck with injuries hopefully the form will return.

It wasn’t so long ago some Wigan fans were saying Farrell looked done and then he pops up with a hat trick last Thursday.

Walmsley looked back to his best against Leeds, he single-handedly carried us forward in golden point and Dodd showed the odd glimpse of getting some form back too

The quality isn’t great across SL this season so even a below par Saints may have enough to win the comp at the business end.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 8:23 am  

I think Jason knows Saints are still a team to be taken extremely seriously. Things don’t last forever and I think the week to week intensity you’ve played at for years may well have gone but as we’ve seen with Leeds teams of the past, Wigan teams of the past etc, that doesn’t really matter ‘if’ you can raise it when it matters. That group of Saints players know the levels they can reach and I’d be surprised if they don’t hit them when needed. It’s then up to the other teams to see if they can beat that.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 8:41 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

I assume you’ve aimed this at me as I “laughed” at your previous post.

Firstly I’ll explain why I did that.

You say we will struggle to win anything this year - we’ve already won the World Club Challenge.
You say as a force we are shot to pieces - yet every bookie and the majority of pundits in the land still has us as favourites to win it.
We were apparently lucky to get to last years final - I assume this is because the semi final was a close contest. I apologise for not winning it in a more comfortable fashion.

So that’s why your post was funny.

Now moving on to your next post:

Are you not struggling ? - I’ve mentioned previously we aren’t at the standards of previous years currently.

Are your (some )players not coming to the end (careers ) ? - Yes. This will be the case at almost every club almost every year. It’s called biology.

Is your discipline that needs to be sorted affecting the team ?
Yes. Very much so.

Are some players not as good as in the past ? Yes. See answer 2.

Have you some players that are not grub like (Knowles for one ) Yes - See answer 3.

Your coach (nice bloke)hasnt the skills of say Woolf (not yet anyway) - We don’t know yet. He’s been in charge for less than half a season which has been far from the ordinary but does have the World Club Challenge under his belt. Not bad for someone who’s just a nice bloke.

That said once sorted you could become a force again,the table doesnt lie. - Spot on. The table doesn’t lie. The same table that will show you that should we win our game in hand (Huddersfield at home so it’s likely) we will be 2 points behind you in 2nd place. Would we then be a “force” again?

It seems that you are prematurely writing us off which is truly bizarre as you’d think people would’ve learned by now. No Saints fan is naive to think we aren’t quite at the races yet but nobody is really panicking yet bar the odd clown.

You seem to be setting yourself and licking your lips at the fact we are “shot to pieces” and no longer a force. Genuinely you’re just setting yourself up for a fall. I seem to recall last season you telling us Wigan would win the double too and look how that turned out. Why any fans of any club boldly write off their rivals like you are doing I will never know. Especially when said rival is still the team to beat in the eyes of most people with half a brain.

Thanks for the reply,
You are shot to pieces but sort your discipline then you will go ok.
WCC- I think Woolf had some imput in my view.
You was lucky to get to last years final as salford had a good chance of a try stopped due to foul play
Bookies are never wrong,no point in betting against you now.
You do seem to have a few players getting close to retirement more than most I suspect.
Yes I thought we had a great chance to win the double we hawever knocked your fantastic team out of the semi and then won the CC 50% right.Bookies made you favourite to win the semi .

So basically you agree with most off my points-
I also said sort your stuff out and yes you could win the GF etc but not as you are at the min.
I also have said Wigan could win the lot which they could as could you,Warrington etc maybe not wakey.
I think that should clear this up now.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 8:53 am  

Stu M wrote:

The same guy that wrote us off last year too and said we would win nothing.

We are miles away from the last few seasons in terms of quality, intensity and our defence which was our biggest strength under Woolf.

However… we win our game in hand and we are 2pts behind Wigan and we play them in a couple of weeks.

We sort our discipline out (easier said than done admittedly when every week we have a player banned) then with some luck with injuries hopefully the form will return.

It wasn’t so long ago some Wigan fans were saying Farrell looked done and then he pops up with a hat trick last Thursday.

Walmsley looked back to his best against Leeds, he single-handedly carried us forward in golden point and Dodd showed the odd glimpse of getting some form back too

The quality isn’t great across SL this season so even a below par Saints may have enough to win the comp at the business end.

Thanks for the reply Stu,
I did think you wouldnt win anything last year as I thought Wigan would (50% right )
I do think Saints are struggling and will win nothing with the problems they have (which you all agree)
Sorted the could win the lot as could Wigan etc.
I did say Wigan could win the double last year (50% right)
I never said Farrell was shot (I know you said Fans)
I also said it will be fun in a couple of weeks time,cant wait.
Like the way you said some luck with injuries that applies to us aswell.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 8:56 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

I think Jason knows Saints are still a team to be taken extremely seriously. Things don’t last forever and I think the week to week intensity you’ve played at for years may well have gone but as we’ve seen with Leeds teams of the past, Wigan teams of the past etc, that doesn’t really matter ‘if’ you can raise it when it matters. That group of Saints players know the levels they can reach and I’d be surprised if they don’t hit them when needed. It’s then up to the other teams to see if they can beat that.

Course I think that NiickyKiss,but I think Wigan will have something to say re this season.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 9:01 am  

Jason65 wrote:

Course I think that NiickyKiss,but I think Wigan will have something to say re this season.

So now you’re taking us seriously? But earlier we were shot to pieces as a force.

Which is it?

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 9:31 am  

Jason65 wrote:

Course I think that NiickyKiss,but I think Wigan will have something to say re this season.

So do I mate. Saints still worry me greatly but I’m sure we’ll be worrying them as well. We’ve certainly come a fair way in some Saints fans estimations since the days of ‘you wouldn’t get a single player in a combined 17’ when I read about the place.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 9:52 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

So now you’re taking us seriously? But earlier we were shot to pieces as a force.

Which is it?

You are shot to pieces at the min but did you read what I actually put down.
Sort out your issues and you will be ok I said that and you did agree that you have problems at the club,your actually arguing with each other on the pitch for a start.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon May 29, 2023 9:54 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

So do I mate. Saints still worry me greatly but I’m sure we’ll be worrying them as well. We’ve certainly come a fair way in some Saints fans estimations since the days of ‘you wouldn’t get a single player in a combined 17’ when I read about the place.

I know,now we could get 1 maybe 2 lol,