Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:38 am  

I think where Wigan have got it wrong is by not disclosing the reasons. All that has done is to fuel the drugs/drink driving rumours.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:59 am  

Trainman wrote:

I wouldn’t say it’s harsh. If true, Peet will have had a conversation with Hardaker after the first one and likely explained the consequences should it happen again. When it happened again he had no choice but to go through with it otherwise he’s loose respect. Basic management.

I just wish a few at my work would take a lead out of his book.

Yes, I can see that too. I'm certainly not against his tough stance in any way whatsoever. I meant harsh in the sense of a couple of late arrivals and you're out of the biggest game of the season so far. If that's the standards he's setting though, then so be it. As fans, we're all benefiting from the vastly improved rugby this season and that has been culture lead so however Peet chooses to implement that I'm right behind him.

Interesting point that SP makes regarding the suitability of the punishment. I get his point (it's not dissimilar to calling it harsh) but I'm going to the match and, despite it harming our chances in this one game, I'm more than happy to back the decision win or lose simply because we can already see the difference the culture change has made. I think it comes down to the well worn "no player is bigger than the team" adage. Off what Peet says, Zak has taken it well so it's clearly been handled in the right manner.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:11 am  

You can't instil a culture by choosing which games players are dropped for and which they aren't otherwise players have no need for discipline leading into a big game because they know they won't be dropped. This shows that no matter who you are (Zak is an obvious starter) and no matter what the game is, you f*** up and you're out. If we lose the game due to Zak being out (kicks or a poor performance from his replacement), I expect there will be a big thing in meetings about how Zak let his team mates down (something Madge was very big on) and that creates the culture that what you do as an individual has a direct impact on your team mates.

100% agree with the decision, and well done to the coach (who some think only got the job for his accent) on making it.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:17 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

You can't instil a culture by choosing which games players are dropped for and which they aren't otherwise players have no need for discipline leading into a big game because they know they won't be dropped. This shows that no matter who you are (Zak is an obvious starter) and no matter what the game is, you f*** up and you're out. If we lose the game due to Zak being out (kicks or a poor performance from his replacement), I expect there will be a big thing in meetings about how Zak let his team mates down (something Madge was very big on) and that creates the culture that what you do as an individual has a direct impact on your team mates.

100% agree with the decision, and well done to the coach (who some think only got the job for his accent) on making it.

Good post

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:18 am  

And to put a business spin on it, if someone is working on a project and is constantly late for meetings and never comes prepared then you definitely take them off the project because they won't be giving the customer the best impression of your business and the rest of the team will be peed off at having to work twice as hard to cover for them.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:22 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

And to put a business spin on it, if someone is working on a project and is constantly late for meetings and never comes prepared then you definitely take them off the project because they won't be giving the customer the best impression of your business and the rest of the team will be peed off at having to work twice as hard to cover for them.

Yeah you do, but you don't replace a guy on a senior salary with a junior. Or at least you don't tell the customer that you've done this. If the employee is as bad as what you say, then they are sacked most often than not too. Especially, from a business POV, if they've severely impacted your ability to deliver what was needed.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:28 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

You can't instil a culture by choosing which games players are dropped for and which they aren't otherwise players have no need for discipline leading into a big game because they know they won't be dropped. This shows that no matter who you are (Zak is an obvious starter) and no matter what the game is, you f*** up and you're out. If we lose the game due to Zak being out (kicks or a poor performance from his replacement), I expect there will be a big thing in meetings about how Zak let his team mates down (something Madge was very big on) and that creates the culture that what you do as an individual has a direct impact on your team mates.

100% agree with the decision, and well done to the coach (who some think only got the job for his accent) on making it.

Agreed Egg. The Peet era so far has a Maguire "new broom" feel to it . That was something we absolutely needed so his Wigan accent will do for me!

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:29 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Yeah you do, but you don't replace a guy on a senior salary with a junior. Or at least you don't tell the customer that you've done this. If the employee is as bad as what you say, then they are sacked most often than not too. Especially, from a business POV, if they've severely impacted your ability to deliver what was needed.

So you sack them? Same deal.

It doesn't matter who you replace them with, you replace them (or you just remove them and work with one less but obviously we aren't going to play with 12 are we)

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:36 am  

Think a bit of slack might be needed with Zak. Isn’t he travelling over from Ponte? And he has a baby and we all know how you feel after a bad nights sleep…..

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:38 am  

Shabino wrote:

Think a bit of slack might be needed with Zak. Isn’t he travelling over from Ponte? And he has a baby and we all know how you feel after a bad nights sleep…..

Few players have been offered more slack than ZH over the years.

Maybe some of his coaches should have clamped down sooner and he'd be in a better place. Peet is bang on the money with this one IMOand that's not just because he'll miss the game (to be honest it's been quite a while since I've been impressed with him anyway - more steady eddie than gamebreaker these days).