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Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:13 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

Can't believe people are still taking their epidemiology advice from epidemiologists when Denise Welch, Matt Le Tissier, Piers Corbyn and Karen from Facebook are available.

Stuart Fielden is quite the expert too.

Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:15 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

What are you even going on about now ?

What I said. What has the Labour Party contributed to getting us out of this mess? They have wholeheartedly supported the government through this fiasco.

Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:32 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

What I said. What has the Labour Party contributed to getting us out of this mess? They have wholeheartedly supported the government through this fiasco.

Classic whatabouttery

Rather than admit the Tory’s have done a terrible job and continually not learned from mistakes, you point the finger at the opposition party who aren’t in power?

Late into lockdowns
Made a mess with the PPE
Handing our contracts to their mates
Wasting billions of pounds of tax payers money
Dominic Cummings fiasco
Christmas party fiasco
Owen Paterson case

All labours fault

Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:05 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Classic whatabouttery

Rather than admit the Tory’s have done a terrible job and continually not learned from mistakes, you point the finger at the opposition party who aren’t in power?

Late into lockdowns
Made a mess with the PPE
Handing our contracts to their mates
Wasting billions of pounds of tax payers money
Dominic Cummings fiasco
Christmas party fiasco
Owen Paterson case

All labours fault

You have obviously not read what I posted, the most appropriate word was 'contributed', unless you have missed it they have not once voted against the government. Anyway, back to the point I made regarding the figures being massaged, could you please explain? Or does it not fit with your narrative?

Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:11 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote: UK researchers have analysed the likely impact that a Covid booster shot will have on Omicron and say it could provide around 85% protection against severe illness. Why would I get the booster? Sod it, it’s just the government trying to control us, it’s just another flu, we can make our own choices, I don’t care if in a few weeks hospitalisations for Covid will likely be higher than they have EVER been. Try this https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee

nathan_rugby wrote: UK researchers have analysed the likely impact that a Covid booster shot will have on Omicron and say it could provide around 85% protection against severe illness. Why would I get the booster? Sod it, it’s just the government trying to control us, it’s just another flu, we can make our own choices, I don’t care if in a few weeks hospitalisations for Covid will likely be higher than they have EVER been. Try this https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee

Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:36 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Which isn't "Experimental".

i know, thats why i put the quotation marks in

Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:40 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote: Try this https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee Regardless of what’s happened or not in South Africa, why not get the booster? Science shows Omicron evades our current vaccines and the booster protects around 85%. Also, South Africa has a younger population & also has their vaccines later than in the UK so likely had more immunity. That’s exactly the reason you cannot draw parallels to South Africa. What point are you even trying to make? Can you just reply without links to websites or riddles and state your stance.

Sweaty Betty's wrote: Try this https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee Regardless of what’s happened or not in South Africa, why not get the booster? Science shows Omicron evades our current vaccines and the booster protects around 85%. Also, South Africa has a younger population & also has their vaccines later than in the UK so likely had more immunity. That’s exactly the reason you cannot draw parallels to South Africa. What point are you even trying to make? Can you just reply without links to websites or riddles and state your stance.

Re: Covid : Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:24 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Regardless of what’s happened or not in South Africa, why not get the booster? Science shows Omicron evades our current vaccines and the booster protects around 85%.

Also, South Africa has a younger population & also has their vaccines later than in the UK so likely had more immunity. That’s exactly the reason you cannot draw parallels to South Africa.

What point are you even trying to make? Can you just reply without links to websites or riddles and state your stance.

It only needs 10% of the UK population to go unvaccinated to create another lockdown. Beds that could used for other conditions, will be taken up for ignorance to vaccination.

Re: Covid : Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:30 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Regardless of what’s happened or not in South Africa, why not get the booster? Science shows Omicron evades our current vaccines and the booster protects around 85%.

Also, South Africa has a younger population & also has their vaccines later than in the UK so likely had more immunity. That’s exactly the reason you cannot draw parallels to South Africa.

What point are you even trying to make? Can you just reply without links to websites or riddles and state your stance.

First of all, I have had the booster. You are like Sage, you pick and choose the bit of science you want to use in your argument! Back to my original question, how many people are in hospital with the Omicron variant and how many have died? It is irrelevant how many people are infected with it if it doesn't hospitalise or kill them! Now to South Africa, only 26% of the population have been doubly vaccinated so, irrespective of the demographic of the population more people should be catching it, in hospital from it and ultimately dying from it. The last time I looked, the UK had 70% of its population jabbed and 40% had received their booster, so there is no way we should be badly affected unless, that is, they are pumping some useless chemical into us (which I don't believe they are). The other major issue is that we are vaccinating youngsters and we shouldn't be because the science does not support it, but that is an issue for another day.

The problem with the government's scientists is that they constantly model on the worst case scenario and guess what, they have never been right yet. In order to make reasonable judgments the government should also be presented with a best case scenario and a mid-point scenario, its about basic science not about putting the fear of god into the population and ruining the economy. These knee-jerk decisions will kill more than Covid but you won't see any figures. Why? Because anyone who has contracted this disease, irrespective of whether they have died from a heart attack or cancer, will only have the former written on their death certificate.

What happens to a virus, we can all find out in our GCSE Science books. It mutates and gradually gets weaker. Why, because the last thing it wants to do is kill its host (us) because ultimately it would kill itself.

By the way, my view is not based on political persuasion as I did not vote for either of the major protagonists.

Re: Covid : Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:26 am  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

First of all, I have had the booster. You are like Sage, you pick and choose the bit of science you want to use in your argument! Back to my original question, how many people are in hospital with the Omicron variant and how many have died? It is irrelevant how many people are infected with it if it doesn't hospitalise or kill them! Now to South Africa, only 26% of the population have been doubly vaccinated so, irrespective of the demographic of the population more people should be catching it, in hospital from it and ultimately dying from it. The last time I looked, the UK had 70% of its population jabbed and 40% had received their booster, so there is no way we should be badly affected unless, that is, they are pumping some useless chemical into us (which I don't believe they are). The other major issue is that we are vaccinating youngsters and we shouldn't be because the science does not support it, but that is an issue for another day.

The problem with the government's scientists is that they constantly model on the worst case scenario and guess what, they have never been right yet. In order to make reasonable judgments the government should also be presented with a best case scenario and a mid-point scenario, its about basic science not about putting the fear of god into the population and ruining the economy. These knee-jerk decisions will kill more than Covid but you won't see any figures. Why? Because anyone who has contracted this disease, irrespective of whether they have died from a heart attack or cancer, will only have the former written on their death certificate.

What happens to a virus, we can all find out in our GCSE Science books. It mutates and gradually gets weaker. Why, because the last thing it wants to do is kill its host (us) because ultimately it would kill itself.

By the way, my view is not based on political persuasion as I did not vote for either of the major protagonists.

SAGE member admitted on Saturday to a Spectator jurno that they sre only requested to model worst case scenario. They have been out massively everytime. Last prediction before October was 7k hospitalisation a day in October. Never topped 800. As you say model on 3 scenarios is needed otherwise its purely Gov propaganda.