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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:28 pm  
Wigg'n wrote:
In the old top 5 setup, these are the games: (winners in green for the sake of it [I think this is right])

Week 1:
Warrington vs Saints
Catalan vs Leeds

Week 2:
Wigan vs Saints (Winner to GF)
Warrington vs Leeds

Week 3:
Wigan vs Leeds

Grand Final:
Saints vs Leeds

No duplicate games, no boring games. I'd pay to watch every single one. :(


Much better system! Won't happen though and as I've said a few times a top 5 PO system in a 14 team league with no promotion and relegation leaves too many teams with nothing to play for by the midway point of the season. So a reduction in teams in the league would be required. But because the RFL refuse to make any big decisions we will be stuck with the current format next season guarenteed!
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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:29 pm  
Bergen Bulldog wrote:
The problem is SKY's top 8 :roll: play off system is driving people away from attending matches. It's awful going to games and seeing loads of empty seats, must be bad for players having to perform in an atmosphere like that when come the business end of the season you want to see packed crowds and feed off the energy from the stands.

LISTEN TO THE FANS, BRING BACK THE TOP 5 PLAY OFF SYSTEM!!

That's if we have to even have play offs as the team finishing top of the table should be regarded as champions.


Sky dont care as people dont go live but watch it on their channels
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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:34 pm  
The lack of competitiveness is definitely what's killing the excitement for me. There's no incentive for teams to fight for every point. Wigan have recorded some pretty straightforward wins over teams that have been in the top 8 and even the top 4 and during those games it's been hard to see why those clubs should even care about those results.

When Wigan battered Leeds away from home there was no way at all that the Wigan team on that day was that much better than the Leeds side. For me that game just showed the difference between a good team that really wanted to win that game and a good team that would have liked to win but weren't particularly bothered either way.

There's just a lack of quality right through Super League and while all teams this year have been capable of good performances the number that have been capable of consistently good performances has been quite small.

The salary cap was supposed to even things out but even when 'smaller teams' like London spend to the full cap they are spending that money on players that make up a team of much less quality. The best teams still monopolise the best talent and that forces sides outside the 'big four' to overspend on what little talent remains.

I bet there are some better players than Kevin Brown at top 4 clubs earning less than he'll be earning at Widnes, but his value to a club like Widnes is huge because compared to what else is available he could make a difference.
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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:36 pm  
Pieman wrote:
Sky dont care as people dont go live but watch it on their channels


I take your point but isn't it in SKY's interests to maintain viewer interest, how can they do that if they drive fans and players away from the sport as they become more and more disillusioned with the play off system.

Surely people will start switching off if we continue getting one sided scorelines in some games and star players leave to yawnion or the NRL.

I watched the NRL Grand Final on Sunday and as good as the teams are taking part in this Saturday's final at Old Trafford I can't see it being as entertaining.
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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:20 pm  
You can have a repeat fixture in the top 5 system it just didn't happen too often.

Week 1

2 bt 3
4 bt 5

Week 2

1 bt 2
3 bt 4

Week 3

2 bt 3

Final

1 bt 2

That run there has 2 repeated fixtures. It is the better system though but the top 6 pushes ot very close.

Week 1

3 bt 6
4 bt 5

Week 2

1 bt 2
3 bt 4

Week 3

2 bt 3

Final

1 bt 2

The only repeat in that is the final and that can only happen between the top 2.

http://leaguechatter.wordpress.com/2012 ... ff-misery/
You can have a repeat fixture in the top 5 system it just didn't happen too often.

Week 1

2 bt 3
4 bt 5

Week 2

1 bt 2
3 bt 4

Week 3

2 bt 3

Final

1 bt 2

That run there has 2 repeated fixtures. It is the better system though but the top 6 pushes ot very close.

Week 1

3 bt 6
4 bt 5

Week 2

1 bt 2
3 bt 4

Week 3

2 bt 3

Final

1 bt 2

The only repeat in that is the final and that can only happen between the top 2.

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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:51 pm  
Got to agree with the majority of the sentiments on here. The standard of rugby is appalling and has been getting gradually worse for years. I'd say it's gone downhill since around 2006 when Saints had a truly good team (as much as that pains me to say). I'd say our team of 2010 which I was proud to call champions was actually a poorer team than the one we had for the first part of this century who couldn't win a grand final for love nor money.

The weekly games are meaningless, course you want your team to win but they're so dull I spend half my time just having a pint and a chat and not actually watching the game. It's only the social side of things that keeps me going.

The play-off system is a farce. I think the people at the RFL need to do one simple test when they come up with their next great idea...try explaining it first to someone who isn't a rugby league fan and examine their face while you are talking to them. I've got sick, tired and quite frankly embarrassed of trying to explain our play-off system to non-rl fans at work. They just stare at you in amazement as if to say, "you what"?

The only plus point I can think of in recent years is Sam Tomkins who is a genuine superstar and a joy to watch. He is the one shining star who does attract outside interest and it's people like this we need to keep hold of to help publicise and market the game. That said who could blame him if he were to go to the NRL to truly test himself or go to RU. I think even he will be getting bored soon enough of scoring hat tricks against dire sides.

Other things which don't help are the standard of officiating during games, the inconsistency of the disciplinary panel afterwards and the head of RFL being the inept Nigel Wood.

It's also poor having such an awful international fixture schedule. I think the heads of RFL need to realise that the England thing isn't working on its own. We need to set in stone having Great Britain v Australia ashes tours atleast every 4 years if not every 2. This was the bedrock of our game for so long and for some unknown reason we turned our backs on it? At the end of the day it's a successful international team that will attract Southern media interest and subsequently sponsorship. At the moment the only people who seem interested in RL are Sky Sports and it's always dangerous to rely on one source of income. Sky aren't daft and sooner or later they will realise this and start reducing the money they pump into the game knowing that we have no one else to turn to.

I could go on and on and on there are so many things wrong with the way the game is run.

That said I will continue to attend with my usual apathy in the hope that something miraculous happens. Rugby league is still a great game with the potential to be so much better, it's just sadly run by morons.
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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:11 pm  
Woody_woody wrote:
That said I will continue to attend with my usual apathy in the hope that something miraculous happens. Rugby league is still a great game with the potential to be so much better, it's just sadly run by morons.


Same here. I couldn't possibly stop going. It drives me up the wall when I miss one game let alone 23/24
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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:23 pm  
Well done to all the posters on this thread. This has been one of the most informed and intelligent debates in recent months. I am a season ticket holder and have been for the last 12 years. I came out of the match on Friday feeling very disappointed and thought I would not post until I had had several days to think and reflect. I agree that there are too many meaningless games and the RFL management need wholesale changes. Still undecided about renewing my season ticket though but I can see that my heart will probably rule my head at the end of the day. I almost feel that I would be letting the boys down if I didnt.
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[quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]

Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:46 pm  
Look at the nrl semi 71k and we get 12k think that says it all

If the rfl get it right then we all know how big it will become but they haven't we could get bigger deals sky,sponsors etc.... thus giving every club more £££ and increasing the cap to keep the youngsters

What was the cap brought in for? to make it more even for smaller clubs has it worked? haha NO

Smaller clubs are losing talent to bigger clubs and getting average players so that their team never really get a fair shot up at the top or in the spotlight
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Re: BILKO : Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:02 pm  
Players will always gravitate towards teams that can win honours, London spend to the cap although you wouldn't think it, the salary cap won't even teams out but i don't really think it was brought in to even things out, even though it was sold that way, it was brought in to stop clubs going to the wall, obviously it's not working there either.

It pains me to say it as i would love more teams in one league but we need to cut 4 teams.
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