Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Sun May 15, 2011 9:07 pm  

WigansForeignLegion wrote:

They might not be able to but HMRC could if there was suspicion of tax-evasion (as indirectly suggested by others).

Watch this space. Wheels are in motion and the fallout could be horrendous.

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Sun May 15, 2011 9:24 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Watch this space. Wheels are in motion and the fallout could be horrendous.

Oh? Can you suggest in which direction HMRC will might be looking? More importantly (and somewhat selfishly), are they looking towards Loire Drive for any particular reason?

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Sun May 15, 2011 10:26 pm  

Even Dave Whelan said we wouldnt go down that path. He saw it coming.

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Mon May 16, 2011 1:25 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Its too structured. Many teams star players aren't FB or 7. He's listed a centre as one of the less 'costly' positions, but how could a team bring in a top class centre i.e Cooper or Gasnier on that salary? Just wouldnt happen.
Look at Huddersfield their biggest earner is a SR. He wouldn't have come if they would have used Phils model.

I'd actually flip the centre and winger salaries.

A very good centre makes his winger look good.

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Mon May 16, 2011 8:31 am  

The fallout that Rouges is mentioning is from the tax scams that clubs went in for. Image Rights, ebt's etc. The RFL approved their use but Whelan wouldn't allow Wigan to use them until, I believe, the latter days of his ownership.

If HMRC get their way some clubs will be in trouble big time. That the RFL approved the use of these scams without foreseeing the consequences suggests they are people not capable or fit to run the salary cap. It also call into question clubs who vote in a salary cap, then go in for tax scams that in the end could cost them untold amounts of money.

The monitoring and running of the cap has been complete nonsense from the day it was introduced. As I mentioned, some clubs could be in serious financial trouble if the HMRC get their way.

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Mon May 16, 2011 8:39 am  

Father Ted wrote:

The fallout that Rouges is mentioning is from the tax scams that clubs went in for. Image Rights, ebt's etc. The RFL approved their use but Whelan wouldn't allow Wigan to use them until, I believe, the latter days of his ownership.

If HMRC get their way some clubs will be in trouble big time. That the RFL approved the use of these scams without foreseeing the consequences suggests they are people not capable or fit to run the salary cap. It also call into question clubs who vote in a salary cap, then go in for tax scams that in the end could cost them untold amounts of money.

The monitoring and running of the cap has been complete nonsense from the day it was introduced. As I mentioned, some clubs could be in serious financial trouble if the HMRC get their way.

Wasn't this the Leeds/Wakefield test case that was mentioned a few months back?

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Mon May 16, 2011 9:45 am  

Father Ted wrote:

The fallout that Rouges is mentioning is from the tax scams that clubs went in for. Image Rights, ebt's etc. The RFL approved their use but Whelan wouldn't allow Wigan to use them until, I believe, the latter days of his ownership.

If HMRC get their way some clubs will be in trouble big time. That the RFL approved the use of these scams without foreseeing the consequences suggests they are people not capable or fit to run the salary cap. It also call into question clubs who vote in a salary cap, then go in for tax scams that in the end could cost them untold amounts of money.

The monitoring and running of the cap has been complete nonsense from the day it was introduced. As I mentioned, some clubs could be in serious financial trouble if the HMRC get their way.

This is great post! Totally void of any real facts but constructed in such a way that you think it comes from a position of knowledge.

The facts are image rights and tax brakes are available to sports stars! The HMRC don't want rugby league to have the same tax brakes for image rights as other sports including union? Leeds are the test case as they have a bunch of employees who play both codes right? Who get their pay packet from the same account, but one set of blokes get tax brakes? HMRC are saying the other blokes (the rhinos)don't deserve them! HMRC think rl doesn't deserve the tax brake unions get as it's seen as a smaller sport! Leeds correctly are arguing that in their catchment area the blokes they employ who are far more marketable are the rhino players, who best serve the promo of their business! Are you keeping up?

So basically blokes who no fooker knows or give a $hit about get tax brakes for marketing Fook all, but the blokes who are the poster boys of a business arnt entitled to the same tax brakes as their lesser know work mates!

Leeds have a history of successful litigation and guess what? The sleeve never loses! Leeds don't touch cases they can't win.

The Revenue are been made to look like idiots. it's employment discrimination, it's disproportionate penalisation of income. It's poor researched legislation. They have been hammered for the last few fook ups, over charging under charging in 09/10. This will be another smudge against their name.

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Mon May 16, 2011 9:52 am  

sgtwilko wrote: This is great post! Totally void of any real facts but constructed in such a way that you think it comes from a position of knowledge. The facts are image rights and tax brakes are available to sports stars! The HMRC don't want rugby league to have the same tax brakes for image rights as other sports including union? Leeds are the test case as they have a bunch of employees who play both codes right? Who get their pay packet from the same account, but one set of blokes get tax brakes? HMRC are saying the other blokes (the rhinos)don't deserve them! HMRC think rl doesn't deserve the tax brake unions get as it's seen as a smaller sport! Leeds correctly are arguing that in their catchment area the blokes they employ who are far more marketable are the rhino players, who best serve the promo of their business! Are you keeping up? So basically blokes who no fooker knows or give a $hit about get tax brakes for marketing Fook all, but the blokes who are the poster boys of a business arnt entitled to the same tax brakes as their lesser know work mates! Leeds have a history of successful litigation and guess what? The sleeve never loses! Leeds don't touch cases they can't win. The Revenue are been made to look like idiots. it's employment discrimination, it's disproportionate penalisation of income. It's poor researched legislation. They have been hammered for the last few fook ups, over charging under charging in 09/10. This will be another smudge against their name. Found it, eventually http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=436943

sgtwilko wrote: This is great post! Totally void of any real facts but constructed in such a way that you think it comes from a position of knowledge. The facts are image rights and tax brakes are available to sports stars! The HMRC don't want rugby league to have the same tax brakes for image rights as other sports including union? Leeds are the test case as they have a bunch of employees who play both codes right? Who get their pay packet from the same account, but one set of blokes get tax brakes? HMRC are saying the other blokes (the rhinos)don't deserve them! HMRC think rl doesn't deserve the tax brake unions get as it's seen as a smaller sport! Leeds correctly are arguing that in their catchment area the blokes they employ who are far more marketable are the rhino players, who best serve the promo of their business! Are you keeping up? So basically blokes who no fooker knows or give a $hit about get tax brakes for marketing Fook all, but the blokes who are the poster boys of a business arnt entitled to the same tax brakes as their lesser know work mates! Leeds have a history of successful litigation and guess what? The sleeve never loses! Leeds don't touch cases they can't win. The Revenue are been made to look like idiots. it's employment discrimination, it's disproportionate penalisation of income. It's poor researched legislation. They have been hammered for the last few fook ups, over charging under charging in 09/10. This will be another smudge against their name. Found it, eventually http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=436943

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Mon May 16, 2011 9:57 am  

Lippy wrote: Found it, eventually http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=436943 Leeds wernt hauled up in front of a judge. For the reasons I have mentioned the rfl asked Leeds to take on the case/be the test case as they can prove the point to any judge in the land in the most simple way.

Lippy wrote: Found it, eventually http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=436943 Leeds wernt hauled up in front of a judge. For the reasons I have mentioned the rfl asked Leeds to take on the case/be the test case as they can prove the point to any judge in the land in the most simple way.

Re: Rumours and signings v6 (inc Maguire Rumours) : Mon May 16, 2011 9:59 am  

sgtwilko wrote:

Leeds wernt hauled up in front of a judge. For the reasons I have mentioned the rfl asked Leeds to take on the case/be the test case as they can prove the point to any judge in the land in the most simple way.

Is there a date set for a hearing, or is it an on going process?