Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:24 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

I think your right in that running French and Field at Hurrell all day is our best chance to get a result from this one. However I suspect we will not get enough chances to do it in this particular game with the numbers out, particularly in the three quarters. It feels a little like we've crossed a tipping point in losing so many from one particular area of the field. 5 or 6 spread out we could cope with. Less easy when 4 are from one area of the team. Disruption like we're getting from the Hardaker situation probably isn't helping either. I think we'll put up a show...at least I hope so...but I'd be surprised if we get the result. There's always hope in a Derby though so I'll be there with the usual pre match optimism!

I think it could well be French/Field running at Hurrell be the xfactor but losing a great defender in the backs and kicker makes it a bit tougher to come away with a win.
But I will be there and i do believe we could do this as going to the game thinking we will lose is not a option for me .

Come on Wigan you can do this.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:41 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Talking nonsense.

Much like you do in almost every post.

I'm happy if people don't agree with me, but it's pretty boring and pointless being on here and not actually contributing.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 6:57 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Much like you do in almost every post.

I'm happy if people don't agree with me, but it's pretty boring and pointless being on here and not actually contributing.

To be honest I can see both sides. I was really impressed with Peet doing this as for me it shows big balls and Leadership. Indeed I even posted about it on Linked In as an analogy to culture and leadership and I rarely make posts on there.

However I can also see the point that Wigan's chances of winning are now reduced without Hardaker. They were already short of backs in particular wingers and now he has been dropped. Plus he is the goalkicker so its a double whammy.

However people do like to compare normal life with sport but in reality they are completely different. One of my best mates up until last year was a professional SL coach and had been for a long time so I do have good insight into such matters. I have often tried to compare business decisions with sporting ones and he is always frustrated telling me that they are completely separate.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:16 am  

Stu M wrote:

To be honest I can see both sides. I was really impressed with Peet doing this as for me it shows big balls and Leadership. Indeed I even posted about it on Linked In as an analogy to culture and leadership and I rarely make posts on there.

However I can also see the point that Wigan's chances of winning are now reduced without Hardaker. They were already short of backs in particular wingers and now he has been dropped. Plus he is the goalkicker so its a double whammy.

However people do like to compare normal life with sport but in reality they are completely different. One of my best mates up until last year was a professional SL coach and had been for a long time so I do have good insight into such matters. I have often tried to compare business decisions with sporting ones and he is always frustrated telling me that they are completely separate.

Thanks for the reasoned response.

It's a difficult one. I do think however that whilst they are different environments - money talks & even more so in sport. Hitting Zak in the pocket is no less a punishment that having him miss Friday.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:24 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Thanks for the reasoned response.

It's a difficult one. I do think however that whilst they are different environments - money talks & even more so in sport. Hitting Zak in the pocket is no less a punishment that having him miss Friday.

I think it's Peet laying down a marker. No-one made more of a bold decision than Ferguson when he sold Whiteside and McGrath due to the drinking culture that had been established. He kept his star man in Robson but the culture was changed quickly enough.

Granted its a weak comparison to Hardaker's situation but Peet has made his bed and now has to lie in it. Will be interested to see what happens moving forward

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:46 am  

Stu M wrote:

I think it's Peet laying down a marker. No-one made more of a bold decision than Ferguson when he sold Whiteside and McGrath due to the drinking culture that had been established. He kept his star man in Robson but the culture was changed quickly enough.

Granted its a weak comparison to Hardaker's situation but Peet has made his bed and now has to lie in it. Will be interested to see what happens moving forward

Oh 100%. I'm definitely up for him setting standards and all that. I'm more just questioning if the type of punishment issued is the right one vs others.

Funnily enough, I'm in agreement on the Fergie stuff. I'd have happily back Peet and the club if they'd have let him go and brought in someone better suited to what Peet wants. Likewise, I'd have backed them if they'd have fined him to high heaven too.

I'm just not convinced that dropping him and the wider impact it has, is the right one.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:12 am  

100% the correct call from Peet and very admirable. If there was ever any doubt about who the gaffer was when Wane came back on board I think that's now out to bed. Michael McGuire instilled a harsh culture of taking no nonsense (see Martin Gleeson) and I'm glad to see Peet going the same way. Attitudes will soon change. I see Hardaker as our Paul Pogba. Quiet for a bit then just completely disruptive. I'm glad he signed for us (wasn't at the time) and I'm glad we have prolonged his career but it's best for both parties now that we go our separate ways at season's end. I just hope he is gratuitous enough to understand what the club has done for him. Saved his career and possibly his life.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:13 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Why are you referencing Saints as “we” when your username is TheWarringtonWolve69?

Cause he's a Saints troll who seems to get his kicks off causing carnage on the Virtual Terrace Forum, previously known as:

Steph Curry
LeBron James
Jean Capdoozie

And many others I've probably forgot since!

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:17 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Oh 100%. I'm definitely up for him setting standards and all that. I'm more just questioning if the type of punishment issued is the right one vs others.

Funnily enough, I'm in agreement on the Fergie stuff. I'd have happily back Peet and the club if they'd have let him go and brought in someone better suited to what Peet wants. Likewise, I'd have backed them if they'd have fined him to high heaven too.

I'm just not convinced that dropping him and the wider impact it has, is the right one.

Fining Zak would probably have had no wider implications other than hitting his pocket, it wouldn't have made social media and hardly anyone would be any wiser
By dropping him is a statement of intent by the club, to him and the rest of the squad.

Re: Squad for Good Friday : Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:29 am  

MattyB wrote:

Fining Zak would probably have had no wider implications other than hitting his pocket, it wouldn't have made social media and hardly anyone would be any wiser
By dropping him is a statement of intent by the club, to him and the rest of the squad.

All that matters when it comes to culture, are the internal staff isn't it? It doesn't sound like a PR exercise, so seems strange to involve social media in this.