: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:15 pm  

Yeah lets test half out squad and potentially lose more players

I completely disagree btw.

Why do we want to take the club down even more than it already is.

Use it as a wake up call instead, get a new coach in and I bet things will get better.

The easy street has just ended now for the players and they know it so why make it worse to appease some blood hungry fans pi$$3d at one guy and a team that's underperforming.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:19 pm  

thepriestman85 wrote:

Yeah lets test half out squad and potentially lose more players

I completely disagree btw.

Why keep them if they are doing the same?

This has proved today how bad things have become, serious action is now needed. This club is currently dying on its feet.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:22 pm  

WarriorSteve wrote:

Snip.

Agree with a lot of that, although I don't condone Hock's actions in the slightest.

However bad this is for the fans and Wigan RL, it's a hell of a lot worse for Hock and his family.

He will lose his income for the next two years, and will not get a job paying anywhere near as well as what he'll undoubtedly get as one of the star men at Wigan RL.

As you say, I hope he sorts himself out and after the initial anger etc. is allowed to get on with his life.

Personally, I don't agree with those claiming he should be banned for life. Drug use for recreational purposes, although utterly stupid, hasn't conned us all into thinking he is a better player than he really is but it has cast a bad light on Wigan RL and the sport, and so he should be punished with a lengthy ban.

However, as others have suggested, everyone deserves a second chance. If he sorts him self out then I'm all for seeing Hock back in a Wigan shirt in a couple of years time.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:28 pm  

AJ wrote:

Why keep them if they are doing the same?

This has proved today how bad things have become, serious action is now needed. This club is currently dying on its feet.

Of course it is because ONE person has done a recreational drug the club is now dying on it's feet? Get grip a man

But hey lets drag the players like Ricahrds, Carmont, Fielden, Tomkins, Lockers and Bailey into a room and tell them to drop and pee cause they are all drug cheats according to the fans of RL Fans.

What a fantastic idea that would be and i’m sure it will do wonders for a dressing room that’s already shot to pieces, hasn’t got many if any leaders in it and is about to lose it’s head coach.

There is a right and a wrong way to do this a fan witch hunt defiantly isn’t the right way to do it.

The stick has already come down hard on Hock and the players aren’t that stupid to let that happen to them.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:31 pm  

Panda Antics wrote:

Agree with a lot of that, although I don't condone Hock's actions in the slightest.

However bad this is for the fans and Wigan RL, it's a hell of a lot worse for Hock and his family.

He will lose his income for the next two years, and will not get a job paying anywhere near as well as what he'll undoubtedly get as one of the star men at Wigan RL.

As you say, I hope he sorts himself out and after the initial anger etc. is allowed to get on with his life.

Personally, I don't agree with those claiming he should be banned for life. Drug use for recreational purposes, although utterly stupid, hasn't conned us all into thinking he is a better player than he really is but it has cast a bad light on Wigan RL and the sport, and so he should be punished with a lengthy ban.

However, as others have suggested, everyone deserves a second chance. If he sorts him self out then I'm all for seeing Hock back in a Wigan shirt in a couple of years time.

I feel for his family to an extent but as for feeling any sympathy for Hock himself.....................not in the slightest!

I'd consider giving him a 2nd chance dependant on a number of issues but he's got what he deserves at this moment in time.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:33 pm  

Panda Antics wrote:

However bad this is for the fans and Wigan RL, it's a hell of a lot worse for Hock

Good.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:34 pm  

I recall rumours of a drug culture when Millward was with you and a lack of support to sort it out (sorry if this has been discussed but couldnt be bothered reading all posts)

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:34 pm  

thepriestman85 wrote:

Of course it is because ONE person has done a recreational drug the club is now dying on it's feet? Get grip a man

But hey lets drag the players like Ricahrds, Carmont, Fielden, Tomkins, Lockers and Bailey into a room and tell them to drop and pee cause they are all drug cheats according to the fans of RL Fans.

What a fantastic idea that would be and i’m sure it will do wonders for a dressing room that’s already shot to pieces, hasn’t got many if any leaders in it and is about to lose it’s head coach.

There is a right and a wrong way to do this a fan witch hunt defiantly isn’t the right way to do it.

The stick has already come down hard on Hock and the players aren’t that stupid to let that happen to them.

The players themselves should come together though as a 'team' and have a heart to heart about the situation. You'd like to think that 100% of them are outraged enough in Hocks actions that they'd all agree to club drug tests in future to keep the integrity of the squad at the required level and so that they can all look at each other in the eye each day.

I wouldn't have the slightest problem pis*ing in a pot once every so often if it meant getting rid of these idiots from the team.

I'm not holding my breath though.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:35 pm  

AJ wrote:

Why keep them if they are doing the same?

This has proved today how bad things have become, serious action is now needed. This club is currently dying on its feet.

Sorry, I don't wish to keep disagreeing with you but you really are getting carried away here. Get a grip man. You're acting like Jonesey off Dad's Army, panicking wildly.

This isn't the spirit that saw us through a potential disaster back in 2006, when as a club we genuinely WERE on the brink of disappearing.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:39 pm  

thepriestman85 wrote:

Of course it is because ONE person has done a recreational drug the club is now dying on it's feet? Get grip a man

Yeah, because this is the only incident that gives any fan cause for concern. You say recreational like it is less serious, thank goodness people like you arent in charge.

thepriestman85 wrote:

But hey lets drag the players like Ricahrds, Carmont, Fielden, Tomkins, Lockers and Bailey into a room and tell them to drop and pee cause they are all drug cheats according to the fans of RL Fans.

What a fantastic idea that would be and i’m sure it will do wonders for a dressing room that’s already shot to pieces, hasn’t got many if any leaders in it and is about to lose it’s head coach.

Yes, lets. It shows them that their is a firm hand guiding the club who won't let any such incident happen again, that is the only thing likely to make them stop. If they throw tantrums it just shows what a pathetic bunch of babies we currently see playing for us.

I think we all can see how bad the dressing room is, this imo would make it stronger, they would finally feel like their is some control in the work place. Everyone may finally know what their job is again and we may see them starting to act like pro rl players.

thepriestman85 wrote:

There is a right and a wrong way to do this a fan witch hunt defiantly isn’t the right way to do it.

So what do you propose, we leave them to it, certainly worked with Hock didnt it?

thepriestman85 wrote:

The stick has already come down hard on Hock and the players aren’t that stupid to let that happen to them.

You give them far to much credit.