Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:16 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

If that happens and i have no reason to doubt it would, does his salary count Vs the cap?

it wouldnt in the NRL, I dont know if the RFL have the same rule

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:40 am  

sergeant pepper wrote: If that happens and i have no reason to doubt it would, does his salary count Vs the cap? Covered in section 6 Appendix Salary Cap regs https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... html#p=293

sergeant pepper wrote: If that happens and i have no reason to doubt it would, does his salary count Vs the cap? Covered in section 6 Appendix Salary Cap regs https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... html#p=293

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:44 am  

I couldn’t for the life of me see why his salary would still count on the cap. If he does retire, it’s clearly not a tactic to just get him off the books and create space to sign other players. Anybody making a decision only needs to look at the horrendous physical shape he looked in last season. The guy wasn’t only not fit enough to play the sport, he was visibly in pain walking from the bench to the field. Rads has stated its effecting his every day life and that clearly is the case watching him limp around.

The one thing I forget in all this sometimes is just how sad it is that us and superleague hasn’t seen George Burgess at his best. You get clowns like LeBron Curry on the wind up about the situation but this is a guy who is one of the best props this country had produced when he was hitting the heights and was fully fit. What he did at Souths as an kid was staggering and you always want to see a British player of that level play at least a few seasons at his best in this comp. Whatever state he can get himself in won’t be good enough to ever get back to his best sadly and the whole league has been robbed a little when you consider that.

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:38 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I couldn’t for the life of me see why his salary would still count on the cap. If he does retire, it’s clearly not a tactic to just get him off the books and create space to sign other players. Anybody making a decision only needs to look at the horrendous physical shape he looked in last season. The guy wasn’t only not fit enough to play the sport, he was visibly in pain walking from the bench to the field. Rads has stated its effecting his every day life and that clearly is the case watching him limp around.

The one thing I forget in all this sometimes is just how sad it is that us and superleague hasn’t seen George Burgess at his best. You get clowns like LeBron Curry on the wind up about the situation but this is a guy who is one of the best props this country had produced when he was hitting the heights and was fully fit. What he did at Souths as an kid was staggering and you always want to see a British player of that level play at least a few seasons at his best in this comp. Whatever state he can get himself in won’t be good enough to ever get back to his best sadly and the whole league has been robbed a little when you consider that.

You're right with all that, unfortunately it's highly likely that he will go down as one of our worst signings ever (if not the most), especially considering the hype and salary.

On a lesser scale I'm thinking Luke Davico who lasted about two minutes against Salford IIRC.

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:07 pm  

adi wrote:

There's nothing to stop players getting an education alongside their playing career. I know it's Union, but Jamie Roberts notably trained as a doctor while playing, which is perhaps among the most labour intensive forms of education out there. I think Liam Colbon got a degree while he was with us. Even if training is 4 hours a day (which I doubt), that would still leave ample time to study part-time.

The people you mention are the exception, not the norm. It's not stopping them, but it makes it harder and far less likely. How many people in their mid 30s find themselves unemployed with no qualifications or work history? Yet that's where the majority of players find themselves when they retire. They make that choice but it would be naive not to realise they're sacrificing a lot.

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:04 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

The people you mention are the exception, not the norm. It's not stopping them, but it makes it harder and far less likely. How many people in their mid 30s find themselves unemployed with no qualifications or work history? Yet that's where the majority of players find themselves when they retire. They make that choice but it would be naive not to realise they're sacrificing a lot.

Martin Corry is another. Got a degree and is now a Vice President at Salesforce or something like that. Rugby players, and especially Rugby League players, have to think beyond their playing career because the earnings aren't enough to live off for the rest of your life. I think Owen Farrell got a degree last year too.

The fact that you're a known figure will open many doors for you, but you've still got to have a bit of something about you to back it up.

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:34 pm  

MattyB wrote:

You're right with all that, unfortunately it's highly likely that he will go down as one of our worst signings ever (if not the most), especially considering the hype and salary.

On a lesser scale I'm thinking Luke Davico who lasted about two minutes against Salford IIRC.

Yeah I was at that Davico game. The Burgess one will top that comfortably when all comes to all due to his profile and salary and also as it seems to have been a known issue we’ve signed him with.

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:06 pm  

adi wrote:

Martin Corry is another. Got a degree and is now a Vice President at Salesforce or something like that. Rugby players, and especially Rugby League players, have to think beyond their playing career because the earnings aren't enough to live off for the rest of your life. I think Owen Farrell got a degree last year too.

The fact that you're a known figure will open many doors for you, but you've still got to have a bit of something about you to back it up.

Again, the exception not the norm. I'm not saying no rugby players managed to get qualifications or work experience, but it makes it a lot less likely.

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:24 pm  

Grimmy wrote: Again, the exception not the norm. I'm not saying no rugby players managed to get qualifications or work experience, but it makes it a lot less likely. For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy. https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/

Grimmy wrote: Again, the exception not the norm. I'm not saying no rugby players managed to get qualifications or work experience, but it makes it a lot less likely. For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy. https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/

Re: Burgess’ Hip : Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:44 pm  

adi wrote: For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy. https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/ That's not really what I take from that article, if you're doing less weight training and more recovery, cardio, meetings, video sessions etc it doesn't mean any less in terms of time. You're also not going to be able to spend the extra time doing an apprenticeship in a manual trade, for example, for fear of fatigue or injury. Look at Ryan Shaw, he just turned down going full time with Leigh because he wanted to continue his apprenticeship. I'm sure if it were so simple he would have taken the full time contract and done the apprenticeship at the same time rather than leave for a part time contract at Barrow. Besides that, how does that make it easier for G.Burgess to walk away from a marquee contract? Regardless of whether he theoretically could have gained qualifications or work experience (I still maintain that it's a lot harder and less likely for a professional rugby player to do that) the chances are that he hasn't, because he's been focused on rugby.

adi wrote: For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy. https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/ That's not really what I take from that article, if you're doing less weight training and more recovery, cardio, meetings, video sessions etc it doesn't mean any less in terms of time. You're also not going to be able to spend the extra time doing an apprenticeship in a manual trade, for example, for fear of fatigue or injury. Look at Ryan Shaw, he just turned down going full time with Leigh because he wanted to continue his apprenticeship. I'm sure if it were so simple he would have taken the full time contract and done the apprenticeship at the same time rather than leave for a part time contract at Barrow. Besides that, how does that make it easier for G.Burgess to walk away from a marquee contract? Regardless of whether he theoretically could have gained qualifications or work experience (I still maintain that it's a lot harder and less likely for a professional rugby player to do that) the chances are that he hasn't, because he's been focused on rugby.