: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:34 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

How good really are the props at Wigan?

Fielden defensively is solid, barely breaks the line or offloads the ball, not worth the money he's on. Probably get a top sh!thouse prop for his cash (and maybe someone else.

Coley, don't even get me started.

Feka, He can change the game when he's on, always a handful, great to watch. Has fitness issues even for an impact prop, don't think this will ever been corrected.

Prescott Stuck in the reserves for whatever reason.

O Carroll, arguably our best prop so far this season, but in all honesty this doesn't say much. He looks better than he actually is. Let's play him week in, week out to see how he develops, he has potential.

You could expand the question for me. How good are any of our players? Who do we have that actually scares or even concerns our opposition?

Leeds have Webb, Burrow, McGuire, Donald, Peacock (on the slide now, though IMO) and Buderus. Saints have Gidley, Roby, KFC, Pryce and Long. We have no "threat" players IMO except possibly TL when playing hooker.

: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:41 pm  

I agree Jimmy.

Lets be totally honest and who is a genuine threat, for me:

Feka (Impact runs)
S Tomkins (Passing, can spot a game and go through it)
J Tomkins (Needs more game time at 13)
Carmont (Unsure about this one if I'm honest, can break the line)
Tommy (Only as a 9. Dummy runs will cause a problem, he has a quick step, burst of speed)
Pat (Only from a cross field kick
Hock (Very strong running with the ball)

: Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:24 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

The angry bit is definatly something i agree with. When he is riled he becomes a different animal and looks back to his old self.

His run of really good form last year started against Wire at home when Briers hit him heigh and from that point he started to look his old self even taking on Peacock in a couple of cracking battles.

I've said it before we need a specialist 'beating' coach to kick the crap out of him before kick off!

Bang on mate

Watching him against Peacock when we beat them at home and in the final eliminator was pretty good. Remember Ganson's 'Your meant to be best mates you 2'? I hate Ganson but that was pretty good

Anyone willing to sacrafice themselves to make Fielden angry pre-kick off

: Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:33 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

You could expand the question for me. How good are any of our players? Who do we have that actually scares or even concerns our opposition?

Leeds have Webb, Burrow, McGuire, Donald, Peacock (on the slide now, though IMO) and Buderus. Saints have Gidley, Roby, KFC, Pryce and Long. We have no "threat" players IMO except possibly TL when playing hooker.

I think we have 4 players who the opposition should worry about

One is playing in the wrong position
One is often injured,suspended or brain farting
One isn't on the pitch for long enough
One only made his debut on Saturday

Notable mentions,

Pat from a high kick
Carmont in the opposition 30
Ainscough when given a bit of space

I hate to sound like a broken record but I think we are missing Trent a lot more than we thought we would

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:35 am  

What do you get when you remove the man from a one man team?

Wigan. No more Barrett!

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:40 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote: How good really are the props at Wigan? Fielden defensively is solid, barely breaks the line or offloads the ball, not worth the money he's on. Probably get a top sh!thouse prop for his cash (and maybe someone else. Coley, don't even get me started. Feka, He can change the game when he's on, always a handful, great to watch. Has fitness issues even for an impact prop, don't think this will ever been corrected. Prescott Stuck in the reserves for whatever reason. O Carroll, arguably our best prop so far this season, but in all honesty this doesn't say much. He looks better than he actually is. Let's play him week in, week out to see how he develops, he has potential. And who tops the tackle busts this season? http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=29&hs2=2009&hp2=19&stat=tackle_busts&season=2009

Last Son of Wigan wrote: How good really are the props at Wigan? Fielden defensively is solid, barely breaks the line or offloads the ball, not worth the money he's on. Probably get a top sh!thouse prop for his cash (and maybe someone else. Coley, don't even get me started. Feka, He can change the game when he's on, always a handful, great to watch. Has fitness issues even for an impact prop, don't think this will ever been corrected. Prescott Stuck in the reserves for whatever reason. O Carroll, arguably our best prop so far this season, but in all honesty this doesn't say much. He looks better than he actually is. Let's play him week in, week out to see how he develops, he has potential. And who tops the tackle busts this season? http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=29&hs2=2009&hp2=19&stat=tackle_busts&season=2009

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:44 pm  

And that makes him worth his cap? Remember who was top tackler last season, does he warrant that sort of cap as well? no.

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:03 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

And that makes him worth his cap? Remember who was top tackler last season, does he warrant that sort of cap as well? no.

It was in reply to he rarely breaks a tackle.

Now does he or doesn't he?

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:24 pm  

I told disagree with that stat. I will obviously need to see their definition of a 'tackle bust'.

Regardless that wasn't the initial point now was it. This is about his worth. Bottom line being I don't think he's worth his cap space. If you think this stat justifies his cap then good for you.

Otherwise why else purely focus on that comment? could you not find fault with the other comments?

: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:27 pm  

If Fielden is worth what he is paid or not is a pointless debate. He is on that money for another season.

FWIW when we signed him, he was worth that money. Regardless of what has happened since, nobody would go back in time and change the decision to get him.

Fielden cops alot of unfair stick, the reason for that is how dominant he was at Bradford, look at the assistance he had, then look at our pack. Then realise why he doesn't seem as effective.