FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain896No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 01 20195 years160th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th Sep 23 23:299th Sep 23 23:15LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

The Whiffy Kipper wrote:
Can see it going reet t1ts up next season for Saints



Yeah i am getting that feeling too. They have certainly had their weaknesses exposed a lot more this season than in previous years. Wellens will have been involved heavily in the defensive coaching though so i would still expect them to be solid in 'D' but you never now, they are definitely coming back to the pack now though after 4 awful years as a Wigan fan to watch it all unfolding but fair play to them at the end of the day. Poor league standard or not, they have had the wherewithal to take advantage of it and scoop up the big prize and it's everybody else's issue not theirs. I don't know if my thinking they will drop off next year is out of hope or not but as we know, there are only 3 things guaranteed in life.

Life
Death
Drawing Warrington away in the Challenge Cup
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 24 200618 years276th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Sep 24 12:5112th Sep 24 09:50LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Another dimension
Signature
:CROWN: I am the hash browns of rlfans :CROWN:

Pie_Eyter wrote:
Yeah i am getting that feeling too. They have certainly had their weaknesses exposed a lot more this season than in previous years. Wellens will have been involved heavily in the defensive coaching though so i would still expect them to be solid in 'D' but you never now, they are definitely coming back to the pack now though after 4 awful years as a Wigan fan to watch it all unfolding but fair play to them at the end of the day. Poor league standard or not, they have had the wherewithal to take advantage of it and scoop up the big prize and it's everybody else's issue not theirs. I don't know if my thinking they will drop off next year is out of hope or not but as we know, there are only 3 things guaranteed in life.

Life
Death
Drawing Warrington away in the Challenge Cup


I’m genuinely curious why you think this.

From a Saints fans perspective we have had one of the worst years for managing injuries since the early 2000s. We were effectively on cruise control until Easter, but lost Dodd on Good Friday, followed by Bennison the following week vs Cas and then Lomax did his ruptured his bicep against Salford before the semi final. Hopoate has been a liability all year and was supposed to cover injuries, Makinson and Mata’utia were constantly in and out all year innocuously lost Percival for 4 months. Literally only Hurrell and Welsby made it through the year in the backs, and only Roby, Lees and Batchelor in the pack.

Admittedly the quality of our juniors coming through with the likes of Davies and Royle haven’t been as strong as recent years (ironically using Welsby and Dodd for cover) but expect that to be sorted next year with the likes of Archer, Delaney, Buckley all being another year older. I expect us the be better equipped for dealing with an injury crisis than we were this year.

Getting Dodd back will be like a new signing, and our average points scored with Dodd was 12 points higher than without him. Wing is obviously a question mark with Grace leaving (though arguably Bennison is another year older and hasn’t let anyone down). If we sign a complete dud then yeah we’re weaker overall, but no more so than we were this year.

I remember a post on here around this time last year (maybe 18 months ago) declaring they would like to see how we would perform with 7 out. Well up until the playoffs we regularly had 7/8/9 injured or banned, and that’s not including people like Lomax who in other circumstances wouldn’t have played through. It’s been one of those years where everything that could go wrong seemed to.

Players like Makinson, Roby, Lomax may be another year older but the they’re all more machine than man at times. The qualities they bring to the game aren’t generally built around speed, so with the exception of Roby I suspect they probably have a good 2-3 years left in them minimum. I have seen a post/Twitter comment somewhere suggesting Walmsley fell off this year, but I couldn’t scoff hard enough at that suggestion - it’s just with Lees and Paasi he’s stood out less.

I get the question mark over Wellens. I think any Saints fan would be lying if they didn’t say they feared another Cunningham situation. But everything I have ever heard out of the club says he’s been the best coach at the club for years and have to trust he’s ready for it. His assistant is critical in my eyes. If it’s Long I think I have more concern, but the rumour I heard was Laurent Frayssinous, which is a bit left field but think would be an excellent appointment in my opinion.

I could understand “other clubs catching up” to Saints, I’m not sure I get dropping off?
Zig 
RankPostsTeam
First Team Player2248
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 04 20222 years96th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 15:1421st Nov 24 20:51LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:44 am  
bazdev wrote:
Jackson Hastings?


Has he recovered from his injury?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2983
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 15 200816 years194th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Nov 24 14:5914th Nov 24 17:00LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
God's little acre

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:40 am  
bazdev wrote:
Jackson Hastings?


Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.
I've more chance of getting in the squad.
He is the complete opposite of what Wane looks for in a player i.e. not a team player
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
First Team Player1219
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 25 20213 years120th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Sep 23 10:162nd Sep 23 22:28LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Wakefield Wildcats RLFANS Quiz Champion 2023

If Saints stay relatively injury free they will win number 5. The only team that comes anywhere near...on paper is Warrington
bazdev 
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner872No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 04 200321 years274th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Nov 24 19:5220th Nov 24 17:36LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:15 pm  
Itchy Arsenal wrote:
Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.
I've more chance of getting in the squad.
He is the complete opposite of what Wane looks for in a player i.e. not a team player


I suspect you will be in for a surprise. When he broke his leg he said Wane had been on the phone to him to make sure he would be fit for the world cup
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2983
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 15 200816 years194th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Nov 24 14:5914th Nov 24 17:00LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
God's little acre

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion : Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:44 pm  
bazdev wrote:
I suspect you will be in for a surprise. When he broke his leg he said Wane had been on the phone to him to make sure he would be fit for the world cup


Seriously Baz I'd be more than amazed if Wane selects him.
The guy would ruin the squad.
Even if Lomax doesn't play I just can't see Hastings even being considered.
He's not a team player, self centred and disruptive.
Apart from that he'd be a good selection.
Smith is the guy who will play if Lomax isn't available and I think is a near certainty for the squad.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4470
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20 201312 years113th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Oct 24 20:089th Oct 24 17:15LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Watching Rugby League

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:
If Saints stay relatively injury free they will win number 5. The only team that comes anywhere near...on paper is Warrington


Agree. 2023 is the year of the wolf.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman32357
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 17 200222 years173rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 11:3421st Nov 24 12:11LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS

For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.

For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.

Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row

Magic Superbeetle wrote:
I’m genuinely curious why you think this.

From a Saints fans perspective we have had one of the worst years for managing injuries since the early 2000s. We were effectively on cruise control until Easter, but lost Dodd on Good Friday, followed by Bennison the following week vs Cas and then Lomax did his ruptured his bicep against Salford before the semi final. Hopoate has been a liability all year and was supposed to cover injuries, Makinson and Mata’utia were constantly in and out all year innocuously lost Percival for 4 months. Literally only Hurrell and Welsby made it through the year in the backs, and only Roby, Lees and Batchelor in the pack.

Admittedly the quality of our juniors coming through with the likes of Davies and Royle haven’t been as strong as recent years (ironically using Welsby and Dodd for cover) but expect that to be sorted next year with the likes of Archer, Delaney, Buckley all being another year older. I expect us the be better equipped for dealing with an injury crisis than we were this year.

Getting Dodd back will be like a new signing, and our average points scored with Dodd was 12 points higher than without him. Wing is obviously a question mark with Grace leaving (though arguably Bennison is another year older and hasn’t let anyone down). If we sign a complete dud then yeah we’re weaker overall, but no more so than we were this year.

I remember a post on here around this time last year (maybe 18 months ago) declaring they would like to see how we would perform with 7 out. Well up until the playoffs we regularly had 7/8/9 injured or banned, and that’s not including people like Lomax who in other circumstances wouldn’t have played through. It’s been one of those years where everything that could go wrong seemed to.

Players like Makinson, Roby, Lomax may be another year older but the they’re all more machine than man at times. The qualities they bring to the game aren’t generally built around speed, so with the exception of Roby I suspect they probably have a good 2-3 years left in them minimum. I have seen a post/Twitter comment somewhere suggesting Walmsley fell off this year, but I couldn’t scoff hard enough at that suggestion - it’s just with Lees and Paasi he’s stood out less.

I get the question mark over Wellens. I think any Saints fan would be lying if they didn’t say they feared another Cunningham situation. But everything I have ever heard out of the club says he’s been the best coach at the club for years and have to trust he’s ready for it. His assistant is critical in my eyes. If it’s Long I think I have more concern, but the rumour I heard was Laurent Frayssinous, which is a bit left field but think would be an excellent appointment in my opinion.

I could understand “other clubs catching up” to Saints, I’m not sure I get dropping off?


Matty Smith?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 24 200618 years276th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Sep 24 12:5112th Sep 24 09:50LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Another dimension
Signature
:CROWN: I am the hash browns of rlfans :CROWN:

Rogues Gallery wrote:
Matty Smith?


Thought he was getting the 19s gig with Ian Talbot being promoted to Wellens other assistant?
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bazdev, Cbr1000rr, jaws1, jonh, MR FRISK and 259 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wigan Warriors


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
10m
2025 Recruitment
Clickin'knee
193
15m
Film game
karetaker
5631
16m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2592
21m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
chapylad
12
43m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
49m
How many games will we win
Khlav Kalash
4
51m
Fixtures 2025
UllFC
65
Recent
Planning for next season
J7P1
175
Recent
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
11
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
UllFC
4014
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
26s
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
28s
Pre Season - 2025
number 6
182
29s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63221
33s
How many games will we win
Khlav Kalash
4
35s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40731
54s
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28895
1m
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
1m
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
1m
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
1m
Catalan Away
jonh
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Khlav Kalash
4
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
332
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
521
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1262
England's Women Demolish The W..
1088
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1326
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1118
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1380
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1919
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2137
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2378
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1950
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2187
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2652
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2083
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2157
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
10m
2025 Recruitment
Clickin'knee
193
15m
Film game
karetaker
5631
16m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2592
21m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
chapylad
12
43m
TV Games - Not Hull
UllFC
3080
49m
How many games will we win
Khlav Kalash
4
51m
Fixtures 2025
UllFC
65
Recent
Planning for next season
J7P1
175
Recent
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
11
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
UllFC
4014
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
26s
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
28s
Pre Season - 2025
number 6
182
29s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63221
33s
How many games will we win
Khlav Kalash
4
35s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40731
54s
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28895
1m
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
1m
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
1m
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
1m
Catalan Away
jonh
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Khlav Kalash
4
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
332
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
521
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1262
England's Women Demolish The W..
1088
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1326
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1118
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1380
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1919
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2137
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2378
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1950
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2187
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2652
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2083
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2157


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!