Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:21 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

I couldn't really care less where he's from or who he's managed, I just don't think much of him as a coach or a personality. I want England to win, but I can't say I've enjoyed watching either of the games so far, and probably won't bother with the 3rd as it's been nothing but dour, slow, dull rugby. That's from both teams btw, as I know Woolf isn't any better on that front. I find it pretty embarrassing that they're choosing to play safety first, grind rugby in what is a series of 3 friendlies designed to grow the international game. Winning is hardly the most important thing as the series itself means nothing. Though Wane is acting as though it IS some kind of World Cup. Suppose he's got to make himself feel better about what happened in the real one somehow. Problem is, nobody else gives a poop and the crowds show that too.

I don't really agree about us being great up until the semi. We were great in the first match against Samoa, that really was a great performance and occasion. After that we played absolute dross and then choked against the next semi decent team we faced when the result actually mattered. All well and good beating Samoa in game one, but couldn't do it when it mattered. I don't think you can really gage anything from us putting 90 points on a team full of postmen

I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing for though. Do you seriously think Wane is the coach that's going to win us a world cup or give us any kind of chance against the Aussies? Do you think he's the best coach we could have? To me he's very one dimensional and when his tactic of "gerrin em up for it" doesn't work, he has nothing.

And you know this because? Everyone who has spoken about Wane has commented on his forensic attention to detail. I'm also pretty sure that, going into this series, you'd have advocated Woolf as a better candidate than him given his tenure at Saints. If so, how do you think that's gone?

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:28 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

And you know this because? Everyone who has spoken about Wane has commented on his forensic attention to detail. I'm also pretty sure that, going into this series, you'd have advocated Woolf as a better candidate than him given his tenure at Saints. If so, how do you think that's gone?

Eh, I wouldn't really want Woolf in charge of England either although I do think he'd do better for us in tournaments. We have a far superior team to this Tonga team, so I'm not sure why the narrative is being that Wane is outcoaching him or something. They've got Hopoate as their fullback ffs, and he's been one of their better players! We should be beating them 9 out of 10 times, especially on home turf in very English weather.

Truth is we don't actually play in tournaments anywhere near often enough though so whilst we're farting about playing a load of friendlies, I'd much rather have someone in charge that was going to get us playing exciting, entertaining rugby that might actually have a chance of making a good impression when we are on free to air TV with a good audience and make people want to watch the game more. Surely that's the point of a series like this? And yet this guy is taking the 2 to go 8-0 up to bore everybody to death against a team we should be beating comfortably in a game with no stakes whatsoever

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:43 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

Eh, I wouldn't really want Woolf in charge of England either although I do think he'd do better for us in tournaments. We have a far superior team to this Tonga team, so I'm not sure why the narrative is being that Wane is outcoaching him or something. They've got Hopoate as their fullback ffs, and he's been one of their better players! We should be beating them 9 out of 10 times, especially on home turf in very English weather.

Truth is we don't actually play in tournaments anywhere near often enough though so whilst we're farting about playing a load of friendlies, I'd much rather have someone in charge that was going to get us playing exciting, entertaining rugby that might actually have a chance of making a good impression when we are on free to air TV with a good audience and make people want to watch the game more. Surely that's the point of a series like this? And yet this guy is taking the 2 to go 8-0 up to bore everybody to death against a team we should be beating comfortably in a game with no stakes whatsoever

Not bothered reading most of that tbh because it’s pointless. You’re calling his side boring in this series but by the same token, you said the side underperformed in the World Cup. We were scintillating at times in that World Cup but that’s ignored. We’re winning games now but that’s not entertaining enough. Let’s face it, the bloke will never win with a lot of Saints fans and some of you will move the goalposts to suit your arguments as to why he shouldn’t be in charge. It’s all coming to a head because he’s dared to have a dig at Kristian Woolf, a bloke who did his best to sabotage Wanes England selections for the last few years.

We wonder why the sport is tin pot!

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:44 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

Do you seriously think Wane is the coach that's going to win us a world cup or give us any kind of chance against the Aussies? Do you think he's the best coach we could have? To me he's very one dimensional and when his tactic of "gerrin em up for it" doesn't work, he has nothing.

The thing is though, from what we have seen on t'other forum, no-one has suggested an alternative despite being completely against Wane. Is he the best coach currently available and willing to take the job on with pride? Yes. Was the rugby great? No, but we won which in sport is all that matters unless you sit on some pedestal where how you play is more important than the result

Just look at your own coach, he jumped ship from his own country so he isnt exactly in a position to help anymore which is just plain embarrassing

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:27 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Not bothered reading most of that tbh because it’s pointless. You’re calling his side boring in this series but by the same token, you said the side underperformed in the World Cup. We were scintillating at times in that World Cup but that’s ignored. We’re winning games now but that’s not entertaining enough. Let’s face it, the bloke will never win with a lot of Saints fans and some of you will move the goalposts to suit your arguments as to why he shouldn’t be in charge. It’s all coming to a head because he’s dared to have a dig at Kristian Woolf, a bloke who did his best to sabotage Wanes England selections for the last few years.

We wonder why the sport is tin pot!

I'm not bothered one iota about Woolf, what I don't want is Wane going tit for tat based off some old grievance from club land rivalry. That to me is the definition of a tin pot approach.

It's ironic (& this isn't just aimed at your sorry) that Wigan fans will bemoan Saints fans moaning about Wane because he's a Wiganer and then will defend the guy to the hilt simply because he's a Wiganer.

I'm sure Wane is a lovely guy and does loads of things right. There's a hell of a lot of flaws in there too however.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:28 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Not bothered reading most of that tbh because it’s pointless. You’re calling his side boring in this series but by the same token, you said the side underperformed in the World Cup. We were scintillating at times in that World Cup but that’s ignored. We’re winning games now but that’s not entertaining enough. Let’s face it, the bloke will never win with a lot of Saints fans and some of you will move the goalposts to suit your arguments as to why he shouldn’t be in charge. It’s all coming to a head because he’s dared to have a dig at Kristian Woolf, a bloke who did his best to sabotage Wanes England selections for the last few years.

We wonder why the sport is tin pot!

Yeah, a World Cup does have the same stakes as a random 3 friendly series against Tonga…

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:31 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

Yeah, a World Cup does have the same stakes as a random 3 friendly series against Tonga…

You showed your hand when you called out people saying Wane is out coaching Woolf.

It’s as clear as day at that point that you want Woolf to outdo Wane and England because if club connections.

Sad really.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:44 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I'm not bothered one iota about Woolf, what I don't want is Wane going tit for tat based off some old grievance from club land rivalry. That to me is the definition of a tin pot approach.

It's ironic (& this isn't just aimed at your sorry) that Wigan fans will bemoan Saints fans moaning about Wane because he's a Wiganer and then will defend the guy to the hilt simply because he's a Wiganer.

I'm sure Wane is a lovely guy and does loads of things right. There's a hell of a lot of flaws in there too however.

Spot on. He is clearly a good coach but a limited one. Anyone that saw the pre-game footage before the Wigan v Roosters game in Aus heard his pre-match speech and what he's about.

Making his players think that everyone is against them is part of his DNA. Its why he's stoked this war of words up with Woolf despite Woolf clearly not giving a toss and refusing to go tit for tat, instead saying England thoroughly deserved to win game 2.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:46 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

You showed your hand when you called out people saying Wane is out coaching Woolf.

It’s as clear as day at that point that you want Woolf to outdo Wane and England because if club connections.

Sad really.

NickyKiss wrote:

You showed your hand when you called out people saying Wane is out coaching Woolf.

It’s as clear as day at that point that you want Woolf to outdo Wane and England because if club connections.

Sad really.

Not really, I was responding to the guy that said I’d probably say woolf was the better candidate and “look how that turned out”. I don’t want Woolf in charge of England nor do I think Wane beating him with a far superior squad makes him a better coach. It’s you guys that keep making assumptions about my allegiances… I don’t even think I mentioned Woolf in my initial post, as my post didn’t concern him in the slightest. In fact all I’ve really said about Woolf in here is that his team played just as dull, dour rugby as wane did and that I don’t want him in charge of England lmao.

It is in fact you that seems to have some kind of club agenda here, and don’t seem to like the fact that I think Wane in charge of England has been poor…

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:51 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

I couldn't really care less where he's from or who he's managed, I just don't think much of him as a coach or a personality. I want England to win, but I can't say I've enjoyed watching either of the games so far, and probably won't bother with the 3rd as it's been nothing but dour, slow, dull rugby. That's from both teams btw, as I know Woolf isn't any better on that front. I find it pretty embarrassing that they're choosing to play safety first, grind rugby in what is a series of 3 friendlies designed to grow the international game. Winning is hardly the most important thing as the series itself means nothing. Though Wane is acting as though it IS some kind of World Cup. Suppose he's got to make himself feel better about what happened in the real one somehow. Problem is, nobody else gives a poop and the crowds show that too.

I don't really agree about us being great up until the semi. We were great in the first match against Samoa, that really was a great performance and occasion. After that we played absolute dross and then choked against the next semi decent team we faced when the result actually mattered. All well and good beating Samoa in game one, but couldn't do it when it mattered. I don't think you can really gage anything from us putting 90 points on a team full of postmen

I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing for though. Do you seriously think Wane is the coach that's going to win us a world cup or give us any kind of chance against the Aussies? Do you think he's the best coach we could have? To me he's very one dimensional and when his tactic of "gerrin em up for it" doesn't work, he has nothing.

We had the best coach the game has probably seen in Wayne Bennett and, guess what, he couldn't win us a World Cup. The common denominator is that our players are simply not good enough, period.