Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:46 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

The easiest way I found watching the pass on tv was that Hodgson passes the ball two meters one side of the line and Monaghan catches it two meters in front of the line.
Why the TJ's can't see this I don't know, perhaps he did, then told Ganson who ignored him.

The forward pass should be judged by the VR.

But it could still go backwards relative to the player which is the ruling not the ground.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:56 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

The easiest way I found watching the pass on tv was that Hodgson passes the ball two meters one side of the line and Monaghan catches it two meters in front of the line.
Why the TJ's can't see this I don't know, perhaps he did, then told Ganson who ignored him.

The forward pass should be judged by the VR.

I'm Sorry, but as has been explained pretty clearly earlier in this thread, this has nothing to do with whether or not a pass is forward.
Imagine Usain Bolt was a rugby player and when running flat out covers 10m every second. On the 20m line he passes the ball to Yohan Blake inside him and the ball travels backwards at 1m per second compared to Bolt (a perfectly legitimate pass). The ball is still travelling forwards over the ground at 9m per second, so if the ball is in the air for half a second before Blake catches it, he will receive the ball 4.5m in front of where Bolt passed the ball.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:45 pm  

In all honesty, does anyone really care anymore? Forward or not (which it definately was ) we would of still lost the game, rather convincingly as well.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:01 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

In all honesty, does anyone really care anymore? Forward or not (which it definately was ) we would of still lost the game, rather convincingly as well.

I don't care too much about the one on Saturday because it had no bearing on the game, but I definitely do care about the ridiculous number of forward passes that have been let go this season.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:10 pm  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

I don't care too much about the one on Saturday because it had no bearing on the game, but I definitely do care about the ridiculous number of forward passes that have been let go this season.

And there are a small number of clubs who get away with it on a regular basis.

It 'has' to be being coached!

Re: Whose idea was it? : Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:14 am  

It was a forward pass but not by much and certainly nothing like some are making out. There were more obvious forward passes in the game that went un-noticed

Re: Whose idea was it? : Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:33 am  

Okay, time to throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
I always tune in the scanner and listen to the referee. When SKY are broadcasting the game, the referee, both touch judges and video ref are all on an open mike type intercom.

1) when the pass went accross for the wire try, the linesman did shout ' forward, forward, forward' it was Mr Ganson who chose to ignore it and give the try. ( smells of an agenda to me )

2) I have lost count just how many of the RFL's 'rules' are broken on a weekly basis. The video ref, should only speak when questioned by the ref, and yet chimes in on a regular basis, particularly during a stop in play after an incident. Just watch the replay of when Luaki got cleaned out and the ref was so called speaking to his touch judge. Unless it was telepathy they were saying f***all, as they were both listening to the video ref ( I know, because i was too ! ). The referee then often says something like, 'so it was contact with the head then' and the linesman answers as if it was he who had made the observation. Just watch them and you will see it so very often. I won't go into the many comments about evening up penalty counts etc.

The point is, no matter whether you could ask the video ref about forward passes or not, if the Ref. / RFL/ cummings or whoever else can issue some pressure, wants a certain result, they can easily affect the outcome of any game by simply not asking the video ref ( like Thaler ) or asking the video ref to find a reason not to give it.

Add to this, a ref can structure the result of a game, not by giving penalties when they are not warrantied, ( as they can be proved to be wrong ), but by not giving penalties when they should be, holding down, high tackles, forward pass, offsides, etc etc etc. This is not just Wigan games I am referring to, many times watching many different teams one can see within minutes who is going to win just because of what the ref lets one side get away with whilst penalising the other.

I have come away from games wondering why I am putting my money into such a crooked sport, one day I hope to get an answer.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Whose idea was it? : Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:06 pm  

Are them scanners legal?

Re: Whose idea was it? : Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:07 pm  

The referee can overule the linseman

Re: Whose idea was it? : Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:05 pm  

MR FRISK wrote:

The referee can overule the linseman

On certain things he can't which is why the Widnes conversion v Saints wasn't given and why Cas were awarded a scrum at The Jungle last year when the ball clearly went out on thefull.