Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:57 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Not twisting any words, not even mentioned you when I said ‘some’ Saints fans seem to be actively backing Woolf and Tonga in this series. I just can’t understand why Wane going at Woolf is a problem for any England fan. He’s 2-0 up in the series and that’s what we all want isn’t it?

I’m sick of seeing Wane bagged (other than battering him for his treatment of Farrell yesterday, which was disgraceful) for his time with England. We absolutely made a pigs ear of the WC semi but everyone forgot how good we’d been until that point. We were absolutely outstanding until that semi and played a brand of rugby that was great to watch. He’s won his first proper series now and we’re building. The desperation I see across social media and other platforms to see Wane fall flat on his face is pretty pathetic. I saw a comment before that said ‘he’s only interested in Wigan’…wtf is all that about?! He picks a Wiganer and he’s biased, he leaves one out and he’s resting them for Wigan. He treated a Wigan legend and the countries best second rower like an absolute mug yesterday and no doubt somebody will find a narrative that it was all about doing what’s best for Wigan.

The narrative is that he only put his mate Faz on in the last few minutes so he wouldn't be exposed and found wanting against the big Tongan pack who would have, apparently, ripped him a new one. Oh...and to add another cap to his CV.

Redvee really is a source of joy at the moment

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:55 am  

Moving on from Wane v Woolf..

Was talking to Jack Smith yesterday at my lads football. He was saying it was a difficult game to referee on Saturday.

I had no idea he was from Wigan, I thought he was from Yorkshire but he’s from Standish.

He was saying that if they hadn’t changed the rules with where a ref is from they would be knackered. There’s 3 SL refs now from Wigan- him and the Moore brothers.

No wonder Wigan won the comp

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:17 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

The narrative is that he only put his mate Faz on in the last few minutes so he wouldn't be exposed and found wanting against the big Tongan pack who would have, apparently, ripped him a new one. Oh...and to add another cap to his CV.

Redvee really is a source of joy at the moment

They’re a special breed. This line that Farrell isn’t big enough has been trotted out forever. He’s a nightmare for big forwards and I can’t recall a single game where he’s struggled against a big pack. I find it astonishing that we as a country have wasted a player as good as Faz.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:08 am  

Jack Burton wrote:

Every time England win a game against a Southern hemisphere team whether that be in the WCC, or at test level, we always make excuses for them why they lost. 'the ruck was slow', 'it was raining', 'x players were missing' etc. But the conditions are the same for both teams, and we had players missing, so if the gap was really as wide as we're constantly told it is, then surely, they'd win easily? However, to me, put Williams, Young, and Farnworth into this team on a dry track, we win by 20+ points in both games.

Southern Hemisphere teams are so much better than us lot, what with them playing in the NRL that in reality we will never win a series against any of them,HOLD on a minute looks like we can win,now it is down to the weather,ruck speed,pitch etc etc why we win.Give me a break, in this series we are a better team and better coached.
Am sick of so called fans putting our RL down.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:56 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

They’re a special breed. This line that Farrell isn’t big enough has been trotted out forever. He’s a nightmare for big forwards and I can’t recall a single game where he’s struggled against a big pack. I find it astonishing that we as a country have wasted a player as good as Faz.

They've been telling us for years how our forwards aren't big enough. Now they have the smallest prop rotation in the League apparently it's not a problem any more. They're still the best 1-17 in the comp despite having no pace, misfiring halves and a prop rotation with little go forward.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:45 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Moving on from Wane v Woolf..

Was talking to Jack Smith yesterday at my lads football. He was saying it was a difficult game to referee on Saturday.

I had no idea he was from Wigan, I thought he was from Yorkshire but he’s from Standish.

He was saying that if they hadn’t changed the rules with where a ref is from they would be knackered. There’s 3 SL refs now from Wigan- him and the Moore brothers.

No wonder Wigan won the comp

They won it because they were better than anyone else.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:21 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Moving on from Wane v Woolf..

Was talking to Jack Smith yesterday at my lads football. He was saying it was a difficult game to referee on Saturday.

I had no idea he was from Wigan, I thought he was from Yorkshire but he’s from Standish.

He was saying that if they hadn’t changed the rules with where a ref is from they would be knackered. There’s 3 SL refs now from Wigan- him and the Moore brothers.

No wonder Wigan won the comp

Just goes to show that rugby league IS Wigan

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:52 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I’ve no issues with Wane’s ability as a coach. We’ve not been great to watch however I’m not daft enough to realise we are missing Williams, Young, Farnworth and a potentially fully fit Thompson.

I’ve also commented on here that I don’t agree with Wellens working with Tonga and I backed Wane about his comments over that.

What I do take exception to is his arrogance in describing Woolf as “done ok” at Saints which sounds like a real childish thing to say to be honest.

He’s also massively exaggerated Woolfs comments from Week 1 and tried to create a siege mentality when to be fair what he said wasn’t extraordinary.

I don't think he's done particularly well as England coach anyway tbf. Massively underperformed at the World Cup with some baffling selections along the way. We've seen off Tonga fairly comfortably this week, but it's a team we should be beating comfortably anyway. I get the conditions didn't help, but playing these 2 friendlies as a knockout game with boring, grind rugby and kicking penalties etc and then talking up like winning the game is some massive achievement because of what Woolf said is just embarrassing. Wane just sums up every stereotype that everybody has about RL and it's community, horrible seeing him being interviewed after a game on the BBC in front of a bigger viewing audience than usual spouting that crap

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:02 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

I don't think he's done particularly well as England coach anyway tbf. Massively underperformed at the World Cup with some baffling selections along the way. We've seen off Tonga fairly comfortably this week, but it's a team we should be beating comfortably anyway. I get the conditions didn't help, but playing these 2 friendlies as a knockout game with boring, grind rugby and kicking penalties etc and then talking up like winning the game is some massive achievement because of what Woolf said is just embarrassing. Wane just sums up every stereotype that everybody has about RL and it's community, horrible seeing him being interviewed after a game on the BBC in front of a bigger viewing audience than usual spouting that crap

There goes another one, just writing off everyone that went before the Semi in that World Cup.

Nothing is more ‘typical RL’ than Saints fans going against their own country because a Wiganer is in charge.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:12 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

There goes another one, just writing off everyone that went before the Semi in that World Cup.

Nothing is more ‘typical RL’ than Saints fans going against their own country because a Wiganer is in charge.

I couldn't really care less where he's from or who he's managed, I just don't think much of him as a coach or a personality. I want England to win, but I can't say I've enjoyed watching either of the games so far, and probably won't bother with the 3rd as it's been nothing but dour, slow, dull rugby. That's from both teams btw, as I know Woolf isn't any better on that front. I find it pretty embarrassing that they're choosing to play safety first, grind rugby in what is a series of 3 friendlies designed to grow the international game. Winning is hardly the most important thing as the series itself means nothing. Though Wane is acting as though it IS some kind of World Cup. Suppose he's got to make himself feel better about what happened in the real one somehow. Problem is, nobody else gives a poop and the crowds show that too.

I don't really agree about us being great up until the semi. We were great in the first match against Samoa, that really was a great performance and occasion. After that we played absolute dross and then choked against the next semi decent team we faced when the result actually mattered. All well and good beating Samoa in game one, but couldn't do it when it mattered. I don't think you can really gage anything from us putting 90 points on a team full of postmen

I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing for though. Do you seriously think Wane is the coach that's going to win us a world cup or give us any kind of chance against the Aussies? Do you think he's the best coach we could have? To me he's very one dimensional and when his tactic of "gerrin em up for it" doesn't work, he has nothing.