Re: Disciplinary : Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:39 pm  

Being punished for being a better boxer!

Re: Disciplinary : Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:58 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I watched the incident again yesterday and the only reason I can see for Dezaria getting less is that his aim wasn’t as good.

Shambles of a call. I’ve no issue with the 5 for Ellis but how he gets less is beyond me.

Exactly my thoughts. Either three for both of them or five for both of them

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:45 am  

On what grounds was Dezaris charge reduced ?

Surely they are both guilty of punching and Dezaris has additional punishment due for attacking the head of a tackled player on the ground?

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:49 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

I watched the incident again yesterday and the only reason I can see for Dezaria getting less is that his aim wasn’t as good.

Shambles of a call. I’ve no issue with the 5 for Ellis but how he gets less is beyond me.

Retaliation is always a stiffer charge these days. For me Dezaria 2 games and Ellis 3 games for a bit of biff. If Ellis broke a players jaw then thats a different matter.

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:18 am  

Pretty obvious that one guy plays for Wigan and the other guy doesn't.

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:39 am  

Judder Man wrote:

Retaliation is always a stiffer charge these days. For me Dezaria 2 games and Ellis 3 games for a bit of biff. If Ellis broke a players jaw then thats a different matter.

But they both retaliate?

Ellis retaliates to an elbow dropped in his face (just watched it again and if we’re trying to rid dangerous acts from the game they’ve got one right there) and punches him once and Dezaria retaliates to that and throws two punches back.

So one punch=5 games

One elbow drop and two punches=3 games

I honestly cannot believe he’s got less in this case. I don’t buy in to it being a Wigan thing, or believe there is any bias towards one club or the other but they seem to have such a rigid system and it’s clearly not working. You connect with a punch so you get more games. You throw once punch that lands, retaliating to one elbow drop and two punches (all that don’t really connect seriously) and you get more all because you happened to be more accurate. It’s like they’re scoring amateur boxing.

Wigan will surely be looking for an explanation on this one. The whole game deserves some sort of explanation.

**and to make it clear-I have no problem with the Ellis ban, I just don’t agree with what has been given to Dezaria**

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:55 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

But they both retaliate?

Ellis retaliates to an elbow dropped in his face (just watched it again and if we’re trying to rid dangerous acts from the game they’ve got one right there) and punches him once and Dezaria retaliates to that and throws two punches back.

So one punch=5 games

One elbow drop and two punches=3 games

I honestly cannot believe he’s got less in this case. I don’t buy in to it being a Wigan thing, or believe there is any bias towards one club or the other but they seem to have such a rigid system and it’s clearly not working. You connect with a punch so you get more games. You throw once punch that lands, retaliating to one elbow drop and two punches (all that don’t really connect seriously) and you get more all because you happened to be more accurate. It’s like they’re scoring amateur boxing.

Wigan will surely be looking for an explanation on this one. The whole game deserves some sort of explanation.

**and to make it clear-I have no problem with the Ellis ban, I just don’t agree with what has been given to Dezaria**

I know it comes across as swivel eyed stuff, but what else can it be apart from an anti Wigan agenda?

You've done a far better job in breaking down how the incident unfolded and you can see the logic and thought process behind what you've said. You can also add in that Ellis, as a new signing, has zero baggage with the judiciary too.

So again, what else can it be?

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:10 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I know it comes across as swivel eyed stuff, but what else can it be apart from an anti Wigan agenda?

You've done a far better job in breaking down how the incident unfolded and you can see the logic and thought process behind what you've said. You can also add in that Ellis, as a new signing, has zero baggage with the judiciary too.

So again, what else can it be?

I genuinely just think they’ve pinned him based on his punch being more accurate and their guidelines are too rigid on how they will grade things and don’t allow for a subjective overlook of the ‘whole’ incident. You connect with one punch and you’re getting a longer ban then not really connecting with an elbow drop and two punches. It’s farcical but I can’t think what else it can be.

I look at that incident as a whole and say to Ellis ‘you should keep your head and just have a bit of push and shove if you like’ and because he hasn’t he cops 5 games and that’s not a concern but I would be saying to Dezaria ‘you caused it, you dropped your elbow on Ellis, you then retaliate to his punch, with two of your own and regardless of them connecting you’re getting at least the same’ (and if anything it should be more).

As I said before the bans looked to be based on judging a boxing match, as much as it is on who did what and what their intentions were. Ellis wins on points and his reward is a longer ban.

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:02 pm  

Agree with the above.

Both should receive the same ban for the fight, but Dezaria should also be getting an additional 1-2 for dropping the elbow on a grounded opponent as well.

Re: Disciplinary : Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:35 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I know it comes across as swivel eyed stuff, but what else can it be apart from an anti Wigan agenda?

You've done a far better job in breaking down how the incident unfolded and you can see the logic and thought process behind what you've said. You can also add in that Ellis, as a new signing, has zero baggage with the judiciary too.

So again, what else can it be?

How do you think this works?

Is it a nod and a wink or do they say 'and obviously two extra games for playing for Wigan, who we hate.'?

Just this season I've seen Leeds and Hull fans make the same accusation. What's going on?