Re: Matty Bowen : Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:09 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Yes he was. Debateable whether he would have got there in time but I think it would have been penalised if it had been seen

as soon as he lays a hand on the ball though defenders are legally allowed to tackle him. If you look at it again with that in mind you'll see why it wasn't penalised - the tackler came in a split second after he threw the ball away (and forward, may I add).

Hence when Milner pounced on it it appeared as if he was "taken out" but he did have hand/s on the ball so the tackle attempt was legal.

I don't think Stokes would've needed to think twice about not giving it - the Channing "try" he disallowed for obstruction was a hilarious call.

But without splitting hairs, I thought he was fairly garbage all day.

McIllorum should've walked for ten at least, but Flower's "cannonball" tackle, upon seeing the replay, was above the knees (and therefore legal) and I think he just caved to the pressure/intimidation us at the back of the sticks put him under

Re: Matty Bowen : Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:37 pm  

grovelane wrote:

Having seen Bowen perform in the NRL I have no doubt he will come good. just needs time to settle in, learn the pattern of play and get used to the game over here.

Perhaps it is this 'learning the pattern of play' that is part of the problem with Bowen, maybe the famous or infamous Wigan 'structure' is putting him in a straight jacket and curbing his natural off the cuff style that made him so outstanding. Four drives up the middle and then swing it wide with no real impact from the halfbacks to vary the plays.

You could also say that the very same 'structure' is contributing to the goal kicking problem, Wigan probably score more try's on the wings and less try's under the sticks than most teams, which wasn't as noticeable when Pat was kicking.

So it is simple isn't it. score more try's under the sticks, Bowen could come good and the kicking would improve.

Re: Matty Bowen : Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:03 pm  

Bowen didn't have his hands on the ball when he was pulled back. He'd already been obstructed by a Cas player which made him juggle the ball. The ball was in the air when he was pulled to the ground and prevented from regaining possession.
If there had been a video ref at the game there's no chance that try would have been awarded.

Re: Matty Bowen : Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:58 am  

^ oh I'm well aware of that Father Ted - there'd have been reasons dug up to rule out most of our tries if there was.

One of your tries was an ourgageous obstruction when compared to Channing's.

Swings and roundabouts.

That being said, Hudds had 4 disallowed against Leeds on Friday - 3 would've been given if it were on a Sunday

Re: Matty Bowen : Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:12 am  

DAVE@CAS1990 wrote:

^ oh I'm well aware of that Father Ted - there'd have been reasons dug up to rule out most of our tries if there was.

One of your tries was an ourgageous obstruction when compared to Channing's.

Swings and roundabouts.

That being said, Hudds had 4 disallowed against Leeds on Friday - 3 would've been given if it were on a Sunday

And that's why there should be a video ref at every game (or none at all) The game is played under a different set of rules when games are televised.

Re: Matty Bowen : Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:47 am  

I've said that for 5 years every friday night mate - rugby onion do it

Re: Matty Bowen : Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:53 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

And that's why there should be a video ref at every game (or none at all) The game is played under a different set of rules when games are televised.

It's not really a different set of rules though is it? We are just better at picking things up on televised games. Surely that's only the same as having the best officials on the big games, which I've never heard anyone argue against. If we can afford to have a video ref on every game then great but I'd have thought there would be more pressing things to spend money on currently

Re: Matty Bowen : Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:12 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

It's not really a different set of rules though is it? We are just better at picking things up on televised games. Surely that's only the same as having the best officials on the big games, which I've never heard anyone argue against. If we can afford to have a video ref on every game then great but I'd have thought there would be more pressing things to spend money on currently

There are tries scored every week in 5 non-televised games that would be subjected to slow-motion scrutiny from 3 or 4 different camera angles, it needs to be the same across the board. It doesn't even need to be the full big-screen effort that we get at Sky games, there was a stripped back version that was trialled a few years ago (it was a Hull derby IIRC), where the video ref just relays the decision to the on-field ref through an earpiece.

Re: Matty Bowen : Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:33 pm  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

There are tries scored every week in 5 non-televised games that would be subjected to slow-motion scrutiny from 3 or 4 different camera angles, it needs to be the same across the board. It doesn't even need to be the full big-screen effort that we get at Sky games, there was a stripped back version that was trialled a few years ago (it was a Hull derby IIRC), where the video ref just relays the decision to the on-field ref through an earpiece.

I was at the game in question and they had 4 cameras set up 1 at each corner, some decisions were referred and all seemed happy with the system, the trouble was at the time the rfl's take on it was it was going to cost 200 grand to put the system in place and the clubs would have to pay for it which they wouldn't do

Re: Matty Bowen : Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:34 pm  

sandy wrote:

I was at the game in question and they had 4 cameras set up 1 at each corner, some decisions were referred and all seemed happy with the system, the trouble was at the time the rfl's take on it was it was going to cost 200 grand to put the system in place and the clubs would have to pay for it which they wouldn't do

Exactly! They could probably run a proper reserve league for that