Re: Whose idea was it? : Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:43 pm  

Dead simple, it's so Cummins ( the RFL) still have some control over a way of influencing results.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:09 pm  

So in theory no pass is forward if the passing player continues to run, arrr I get it now, actually its simples

Re: Whose idea was it? : Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:30 pm  

Most people appear to be accepting the fact that the ball must travel backwards in relation to the player who passed the ball.

Now bearing this in mind, watch the try again, especially the replay, and concentrate more on the players (particularly Hodgson) and see where Hodgson (who is running at an angle and certainly not speeding up) is in relation to Monaghan when he (Monaghan) recieves the ball. This may help


The pass looks to be ridiculously forward because the the camera angle where the ball appears to be clearly travelling forward and straight at the camera. But in relation to Hodgson the ball does appear to go backwards!

Re: Whose idea was it? : Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:35 pm  

Thelonius wrote:

Most people appear to be accepting the fact that the ball must travel backwards in relation to the player who passed the ball.
The pass looks to be ridiculously forward because the the camera angle where the ball appears to be clearly travelling forward and straight at the camera. But in relation to Hodgson the ball does appear to go backwards!

The last time I laughed this much was watching Les Boyd playing for the Wires

Re: Whose idea was it? : Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:43 pm  

Not as funny as watching Finch spit his dummy at the time though!

Re: Whose idea was it? : Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:46 pm  

Thelonius wrote:

Not as funny as watching Finch spit his dummy at the time though!

Which wasn't as funny as Atkins getting selected for England

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:36 am  

Thelonius wrote:

Most people appear to be accepting the fact that the ball must travel backwards in relation to the player who passed the ball.

Now bearing this in mind, watch the try again, especially the replay, and concentrate more on the players (particularly Hodgson) and see where Hodgson (who is running at an angle and certainly not speeding up) is in relation to Monaghan when he (Monaghan) recieves the ball. This may help


The pass looks to be ridiculously forward because the the camera angle where the ball appears to be clearly travelling forward and straight at the camera. But in relation to Hodgson the ball does appear to go backwards!

Sorry but black is black and white is white; your explanation is like the picture, blurred and out of focus. The pass was forward, Wire won well, we lost. Why does it matter so much to Wire fans? I don’t know any Pie who thinks it would have made any difference.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:01 pm  

pies-r-us wrote:

Sorry but black is black and white is white; your explanation is like the picture, blurred and out of focus. The pass was forward, Wire won well, we lost. Why does it matter so much to Wire fans? I don’t know any Pie who thinks it would have made any difference.

It's chip paper now, so makes no difference. But for what it's worth I thought it was a clear forward pass at the game, I thought it was a clear forward pass watching it on Sky when I got home, and I still thought it was a clear forward pass when I watched the Super League Show. In fact, I still do think it was a forward pass, but not as clear as I first thought.
Watching it back, regardless of the camera angle and apparent trajectory of the ball, Hodgson is in front of Monaghan as he receives the pass so the ball must have gone backwards relative to Hodgson. It is this, rather than general ineptitude or a conspiracy against Wigan, that may well have stopped Ganson, or his touch judge, from calling it forward.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:45 pm  

Thelonius wrote:

It's chip paper now, so makes no difference. But for what it's worth I thought it was a clear forward pass at the game, I thought it was a clear forward pass watching it on Sky when I got home, and I still thought it was a clear forward pass when I watched the Super League Show. In fact, I still do think it was a forward pass, but not as clear as I first thought.
Watching it back, regardless of the camera angle and apparent trajectory of the ball, Hodgson is in front of Monaghan as he receives the pass so the ball must have gone backwards relative to Hodgson. It is this, rather than general ineptitude or a conspiracy against Wigan, that may well have stopped Ganson, or his touch judge, from calling it forward.

I think the problem I have with this pass is that Hodgson was running at and angle, and not flat out. So we have a ball that 100% traveled forward over the ground and in my opinion also forward when taken relative to Hodgson's speed towards the try line v's the travel over the ground. I simply don't see that Hodgson would covered the same distance towards the Wigan line before the ball got to where it is shown in the photo.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:24 pm  

The easiest way I found watching the pass on tv was that Hodgson passes the ball two meters one side of the line and Monaghan catches it two meters in front of the line.
Why the TJ's can't see this I don't know, perhaps he did, then told Ganson who ignored him.

The forward pass should be judged by the VR.