: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:56 am  

eddie gordo you have gone from

You had a good run when you were the only full time professional team

then you decided

During the 80's and 90's Wigan had more money to spend than any other team, and you reaped the benefits - fair play to you

And now you think

You were head and shoulders above everyone else for many years, due to a combination of high investment and good coaching.

You have not got a clue really , have you

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:07 am  

3 games in and its a crisis. I saw you last week and questioned your fitness. But you could easily have beaten us. I have not seen the Wakefield and Cas games, but how is this season so far worst than the season you only just avoided relegation.?

You were p### poor that year yet you were all behind the team to a man. Or thats how it appeared. So far this year its a witch hunt against Nobby and its all doom and gloom. How and why is it any different in your minds.?

I can think why, but I may be accused of trolling and that is not the reason for my questions.

Re: heart break : Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:34 am  

wiganstu wrote:

ive finally admitted to myself tonight that i am not enjoying watching wigan anymore

im wigan through and through , i would bleed cherry and white if you cut me ...but im finding it so hard to watch the team at the minute .

i used to look forward to a few beers with my mates on a friday night at the home games , and whatever away games came up , but i found myself questioning the reason why i went tonight

i sat there watching a few people getting behind the team when it looked like a comeback was on the cards, but lets be honest , if we had won tonight , it would just be papering over the cracks

slow/lazy in defence , flat in attack , what chance do we have when this is churned out every week ??

we are a shambles at the minute

the play is so predictable , i told a mate the minute feka would leave the pitch in the first half , yes , the 35th minute .
why take of our only forward that is making yards with 5 to go in the first 40 ?

if i can predict stuff like that , not a full time paid professional , is it any wonder we are seeing what we are ?
opposition teams can set up for things like this , they know what to expect

we need a change at the top , noble has done the job he was brought in to do , but now we need something different

thank you brian for saving us , but relegation isnt a threat anymore , im not sure is a good thing this year !
when they thought they could go down it was a bit of motivation !
im tired of the style of play , we look clueless , not a move in us , lazy slow defence and flat attacks

when we get near the try line its normally a cross kick to the corner ......

we are wigan rugby league , we should be better than desperate tactics like that

please ian lenegan , take note

As an outsider looking in.... please allow me to pass my opinion on all this as I know what it's like to follow a team who upset you week in week out.

Because you are Wigan doesn't mean that you can't have a bad run... it doesn't mean you are going to be successful year in year out. Try 30 years of struggle and then you may have a right to feel down about things. The last few years haven't been great for your club, but I'd swap that for our recent history. Is it perhaps that because of the successes of the past that makes it harder to cope with what is happening now ?

I don't buy all the salary cap rubbish that people throw around... I hated playing Wigan during the 80s and 90s.... but when I look back I can safely say that they were a joy to watch... It was rugby league how rugby league should be.... and for that alone you should all be proud to be fans of your club... and be more determined to stick by the club through the hard times.

Just going back to the point about taking Feka off the field.... How long had he been on the park ? One of the worst times to concede would be just before half time.... he may have been good going forward... but how was he performing in defence at that time. Was he slower off the mark... were the quicker players for Castleford targeting him ? There are much more factors that need to be considered for taking a player from the field than just his forward game.

Stick with it... it'll come.... there aren't many coaches going spare at the moment.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:11 am  

the question you have to ask is does he have the guts to drop big name players for outstanding youngsters that in all truth would die for the club.
he had the guts to drop coley after your first round defeat too us but me personally i would drop tim smith he offered nothing in creativity and its probably been said many a time letting higham go was a bad mistake just as i feel wakefield letting ferres go will come back to haunt wakefield.
you have no cohesion at the moment riddell doesnt look fit, smith looks uninterested surely he could give tomkins a start in a game it cant get much worse can it for you fans time to give him a go i feel.
one thing wigan must be commended on his there pricing plan 16 pound for away fans is outstanding to be seated it was 20 pound to stand at leeds and hull kr is 20 pounds to sit in a makeshift stand, its 18 pounds at wakefield so you offer the best deal in the league in my opinion

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:02 am  

Ian.H wrote:

eddie gordo you have gone from

You had a good run when you were the only full time professional team

then you decided

During the 80's and 90's Wigan had more money to spend than any other team, and you reaped the benefits - fair play to you

And now you think

You were head and shoulders above everyone else for many years, due to a combination of high investment and good coaching.

You have not got a clue really , have you

I think all those 3 quotes point to the same thing.

Where I probably went wrong was trying to have reasoned debate with you bunch of clowns.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:16 am  

to be honest i agree.
over the last few seasons my passion and devotion to wigan has completely decreased. If wigan lost i would be gutted; and it would put a downer on my whole week. But now, i expect a loss. As negative and fickle as it sounds im never suprised if wigan lose, no matter to what team. I think my lack of passion is due to the lack of passion displayed by the team, fans try there hardest to get behind them; but week after week they let us down.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:32 am  

Amount I support the club is as high as ever.

Amount of depression I feel each passing week is increasing.

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:33 am  

I think all those 3 quotes point to the same thing.

I don't think it’s the same thing at all . You started off saying all the previous success was down to being the only full time squad , which was wrong .

You then changed your tune to it was all down to us having the extra money , again wrong .

You then finally admitted , that good coaching may have played a part , which is correct , well done .

Re: heart break : Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:51 am  

LoyalFan wrote:

As an outsider looking in.... please allow me to pass my opinion on all this as I know what it's like to follow a team who upset you week in week out.

Because you are Wigan doesn't mean that you can't have a bad run... it doesn't mean you are going to be successful year in year out. Try 30 years of struggle and then you may have a right to feel down about things. The last few years haven't been great for your club, but I'd swap that for our recent history. Is it perhaps that because of the successes of the past that makes it harder to cope with what is happening now ?.

90% of wigans who come on here dont exprect to be top of the league every year and win every trophy going . most of us are sensible posters with a good knowledge of the game , its the style of play , themanner of defeat , the whole predictability of it

LoyalFan wrote:

I don't buy all the salary cap rubbish that people throw around... I hated playing Wigan during the 80s and 90s.... but when I look back I can safely say that they were a joy to watch... It was rugby league how rugby league should be.... and for that alone you should all be proud to be fans of your club... and be more determined to stick by the club through the hard times..

absolutley spot on , rugby how it was supposed to be played ,not the mind numbing drivel we have seenover the last few years under noble

LoyalFan wrote:

Just going back to the point about taking Feka off the field.... How long had he been on the park ? One of the worst times to concede would be just before half time.... he may have been good going forward... but how was he performing in defence at that time. Was he slower off the mark... were the quicker players for Castleford targeting him ? There are much more factors that need to be considered for taking a player from the field than just his forward game.

Stick with it... it'll come.... there aren't many coaches going spare at the moment.

it was the usual noble times for feka , bring him on after between 16 and 20 mins , then take him off around 35 36 mins regardless .
like i said , i told my mate when he would go off .

there are 2 things here , if feka cannot make do the extra 5 to HT then he shouldnt be playing
if he can , but noble continually takes him off at that time week in week out noble is at fault

2nd half the times arent normally as accurate , but as a rule its normally around 50 mins till 70-75

that isnt the main point to my original post though , its thefact that the style of play is boring me to death

its hard work watching them , even going to the game is now becoming a chore and it shouldnt , it was a passion , travel times and distance were never a consideration , yet its becoming difficult to go to home games due to the boring , predictable , passionless , uneventfull performances

never mind , we have a full week to put humpty back together

: Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:19 pm  

I started watching Wigan just after they won the CC in 1965. They then had a fallow period of 20 years before winning it again in 1985 during which time they got relegated. Having been patient for those 20 years watching Wigan get beat heavily by the likes of Leeds and Saints I have absolutely no qualms about Wigan winning so much for 10 years. Now I have to endure another fallow period but thats the way it goes.

Wigan will rise again and the current crop of young stars in the making at the club may well bring that success sooner rather than later. It is raw talent that brings success not money. Many people who have a pop at Wigan's glory years miss the point and ignore the fact that the core of the team were local Wigan lads who happened to have quite a bit of raw talent. Edwards, Gregory, Lydon etc.