Re: Covid : Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:33 pm  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

Maybe the same approach should be taken for the circa 30% of the population who are obese and pose a significant risk on the NHS regardless of whether Covid is here or not.

Boom! Thankyou. Someone else agreed with me. Absolutely no reason for any single person to be obese. It’s just pure laziness and the amount of illness that is caused by being obese far outweighs Covid. And before anyone pipes up “I have illness that makes me fat” no you don’t, you just consume more calories than your body needs. It’s just your illness means you require less calories than normal.

Any person that is obese, especially when they have young kids need to take a long hard look at themselves. They are just selfish. I wouldn’t mind but it’s not even hard to lose weight. It’s simple

There isn’t a single medical condition in the world that makes you put on weight. It’s just an excuse that lazy people make for being overweight. The medical condition may mean you need less calories each day but it’s still the individual that decided to eat a bacon butty every day and put weight on

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:24 am  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

Boom! Thankyou. Someone else agreed with me. Absolutely no reason for any single person to be obese. It’s just pure laziness and the amount of illness that is caused by being obese far outweighs Covid. And before anyone pipes up “I have illness that makes me fat” no you don’t, you just consume more calories than your body needs. It’s just your illness means you require less calories than normal.

Any person that is obese, especially when they have young kids need to take a long hard look at themselves. They are just selfish. I wouldn’t mind but it’s not even hard to lose weight. It’s simple

There isn’t a single medical condition in the world that makes you put on weight. It’s just an excuse that lazy people make for being overweight. The medical condition may mean you need less calories each day but it’s still the individual that decided to eat a bacon butty every day and put weight on

Those who eat fatty foods, takeaways etc and eat far more than they need of the bad stuff pay more tax (cos they consume more and the unhealthy stuff is subject to VAT).

How much "stupid tax" do you think we should bill an unvaccinated person who occupies a hospital bed with covid?

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:21 am  

It’s gone awfully quiet since some facts were posted in.

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:41 am  

To those that think it’s just a bad cold or another flu then how do you explain:

1 - at least 1 million people in the UK now living with long covid

2 - In total, there were 14,102 deaths registered in the week to 17 December, which was 14% above the five-year average. (in the UK and taken from BBC).

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:21 am  

muttywhitedog wrote:

Those who eat fatty foods, takeaways etc and eat far more than they need of the bad stuff pay more tax (cos they consume more and the unhealthy stuff is subject to VAT).

How much "stupid tax" do you think we should bill an unvaccinated person who occupies a hospital bed with covid?

You have got to be joking, I’m summary what you are saying is it’s ok for people to be unhealthy because they pay ‘more’ tax by default due to the amount they eat.

On your last point, I thought that nobody was advocating mandatory vaccination yet you want to tax people for not having it? If said unvaccinated person doesn’t occupy a hospital bed do they get the tax back?

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:24 am  

nathan_rugby wrote: It’s gone awfully quiet since some facts were posted in. If by facts you mean the table that was posted a page or so back then it doesn’t tell the full story. I am on my phone so unable to post a picture but here is a full report from the website that the original screenshot was taken from, check out page 46 of 95 which tells a different story. Go figure… https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Att ... 505601089b

nathan_rugby wrote: It’s gone awfully quiet since some facts were posted in. If by facts you mean the table that was posted a page or so back then it doesn’t tell the full story. I am on my phone so unable to post a picture but here is a full report from the website that the original screenshot was taken from, check out page 46 of 95 which tells a different story. Go figure… https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Att ... 505601089b

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:24 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

To those that think it’s just a bad cold or another flu then how do you explain:

1 - at least 1 million people in the UK now living with long covid

2 - In total, there were 14,102 deaths registered in the week to 17 December, which was 14% above the five-year average. (in the UK and taken from BBC).

Again, doesn’t tell the full story

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:44 am  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

Again, doesn’t tell the full story

What isn’t full?

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:50 am  

WiganRL12345 wrote: If by facts you mean the table that was posted a page or so back then it doesn’t tell the full story. I am on my phone so unable to post a picture but here is a full report from the website that the original screenshot was taken from, check out page 46 of 95 which tells a different story. Go figure… https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Att ... 505601089b Aren’t you proving yourself wrong with the first bar chart on this page? For December it shows more unvaccinated in critical care than vaccinated ? Second bar chart proves nothing. Because 90% of the population are vaccinated of course you would see more in hospital than vaccinated but we are talking on a % basis. What don’t you understand?

WiganRL12345 wrote: If by facts you mean the table that was posted a page or so back then it doesn’t tell the full story. I am on my phone so unable to post a picture but here is a full report from the website that the original screenshot was taken from, check out page 46 of 95 which tells a different story. Go figure… https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Att ... 505601089b Aren’t you proving yourself wrong with the first bar chart on this page? For December it shows more unvaccinated in critical care than vaccinated ? Second bar chart proves nothing. Because 90% of the population are vaccinated of course you would see more in hospital than vaccinated but we are talking on a % basis. What don’t you understand?

Re: Covid : Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:22 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Aren’t you proving yourself wrong with the first bar chart on this page? For December it shows more unvaccinated in critical care than vaccinated ?

Second bar chart proves nothing. Because 90% of the population are vaccinated of course you would see more in hospital than vaccinated but we are talking on a % basis.

What don’t you understand?

They don't want to understand

They want to talk % in hospital when it comes to people in hospital, and its been explained and proven a thousand times that yes 60/65% in hospital are vaccinated, thats because 10x times more people are vaccinated.
However, per 100,000 there are something like 5 x times more in hospital that are unvaccinated

However
The table provided by WLA proves that the vast vast majority of people (whether its pure numbers or even more so per 100,00) are unvaccinated.
End of

Next we will here :-
Ah but
Whatabout
Look at this (and you spend an hour down a rabbit hole looking at unsubstantiated rubbish and/or stuff that got nothing to do with what you were talking about and by the time you come back there's another dozen bit sof absolute rubbish).
You can't say that the vaccinated are better off because they may have been better off if they hadn't had it And end up 90% plus more likely lely to end up in ICU/morgue, yeah that makes sense.

Along with the current:-
That's not the full story etc.
You can't make comparisons because each person is different (btw, there may be something in this, maybe there are more unvaccinated in hospital because they are also smokers/obese/alcoholics/have underlying conditions? But hang on qrent you making out the unvaccinated are cleverer/healthier than us Sheep?).

All the while you camt get a coherent explanation of what exactly they are trying to say without the usual Big Pharma/MSM rubbish

If there is a "More nuanced conversation" to be had then I will let the Scientists/experts etc. Have it.