Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:16 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

The whole reason Bradford sold Bateman was that they needed money. As for getting rid of IL and letting the fans rub the club, I think you need sectioning!

Answer the question what's the point of a millionaire owner if he doesn't input his own cash? We might as well be run by shareholders who elect a president on a fixed term. The president produces a manifesto of sorts stating their vision and goals and people vote for the direction. You could even have a BOD who own say 40% of the voting between them, made up of guys like IL, who offer sound reasoning etc.

If the club is currently being run with no financial input from a sole owner then what's the difference? At least this way everything isn't in the hands of one guy should he go under or lose his marbles etc.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:18 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I think there's two sides to every coin.

One side is keep them until thier contacts run out, get the years stated and then let them go for free. This is the successful system used by Leeds.

The other side is develop a player, get a few good seasons and then sell him for a fee. You then replace with a young player and repeat the process. It's worked so far for Wigan but is it sustainable? It all hinges on having suitable quality coming through.

We've had money for good players and we've invested it back into the club. That's a positive but it does make me question what the point in having a millionaire owner is. I'm not knocking IL but as far as I can see all the infrastructure has either been paid for by Whelan, transfer fees or competition wins.

If we are gonna go down this route is it time we were owned by the fans? If we are going to invest off the back of playeys sold then there's no real reason to have one guy at the top.

Also I don't really understand why we sell our good players but let guys like Tuson, Mellor and potentially Logan leave on frees. Why spend money bringing in Bateman when potentialy we could have paid less and included someone like Logan, Murphy or Tierney in the deal? Those players are going to struggle to make it at Wigan imo and Wane must know it. Use them as make weights.

I think its too easy to say "look at Leeds why can't we do that". When the majority of Leeds' current crop that have stuck together and won trophies were at their peak, the NRL salary cap wasn't as big as it is now, the exchange rate was much more favourable and tbh, players weren't really moving from SL to NRL. Even still they lost Mathers ( ) to the NRL and Lee Smith to RU, amongst others. NRL teams aren't going to come in for the lkes of Sinfield, Peacock, McGuire, Burrow, JJB etc at this stage of their careers, the real test is if offers start coming in for Hardaker, Hall, Briscoe, Watkins, Sutcliffe, Singleton etc.

I think you're contradicting yourself slightly here, so we should make our good players see out their contracts but the ones surplus to requirement should be used as makeweights. The reason they've left on a free is because they were OOC, we weren't in any position to offer them as part of transfer deals. The teams we have paid transfer fees to have needed the cash, not one of our fringe squad players they could probably get on loan anyway.

If we start digging our heels in and make players see out contracts, all that will happen is the ones with any NRL ambition will sign shorter contracts and will leave for free when it's up. The 4 and 5 year contracts we've seen our youngsters signing will become 1 or 2 years.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:25 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Answer the question what's the point of a millionaire owner if he doesn't input his own cash? We might as well be run by shareholders who elect a president on a fixed term. The president produces a manifesto of sorts stating their vision and goals and people vote for the direction. You could even have a BOD who own say 40% of the voting between them, made up of guys like IL, who offer sound reasoning etc.

If the club is currently being run with no financial input from a sole owner then what's the difference? At least this way everything isn't in the hands of one guy should he go under or lose his marbles etc.

Perhaps because the guy actually knows how to run a rugby league club? Aside from that glaringly obvious point, IL has put money into the club, do you really think the fans would stump up the cash to buy his shares and run the club instead? Especially given how much more expensive it would be if we hold players to their contracts who don't want to be here then let them go for nothing as you advocate? An excellent way to reduce arguably the best team this side of the world to a championship side, luckily it'll never happen

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:59 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Perhaps because the guy actually knows how to run a rugby league club? Aside from that glaringly obvious point, IL has put money into the club, do you really think the fans would stump up the cash to buy his shares and run the club instead? Especially given how much more expensive it would be if we hold players to their contracts who don't want to be here then let them go for nothing as you advocate? An excellent way to reduce arguably the best team this side of the world to a championship side, luckily it'll never happen

It's quite simple re the players don't sign a contact for X amount of years if you don't want to be there. Sign for 3 instead of 5 and everyone is happy.

Again-what money has he invested? We are always told that transfer fees and comp money paid for Central Park weren't we? Wages are paid by the money the club earns and not IL so why would that change in a supporters trust. He's always said the club is run to be self sustainable.

You pay your membership fee, you vote in your ward and then those votes are taken forward. I'm also not talking about Tom, Dick or Harry running. I'm talking about prospects from the business world guys like Mick Hogan etc running for the what would be one of the biggest jobs in the sport.

This isn't a new concept btw. It's in place at Madrid and Barcelona on a much grander scale. I think it's also used in Australia via the supporters clubs

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:26 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

It's quite simple re the players don't sign a contact for X amount of years if you don't want to be there. Sign for 3 instead of 5 and everyone is happy.

Again-what money has he invested? We are always told that transfer fees and comp money paid for Central Park weren't we? Wages are paid by the money the club earns and not IL so why would that change in a supporters trust. He's always said the club is run to be self sustainable.

You pay your membership fee, you vote in your ward and then those votes are taken forward. I'm also not talking about Tom, Dick or Harry running. I'm talking about prospects from the business world guys like Mick Hogan etc running for the what would be one of the biggest jobs in the sport.

This isn't a new concept btw. It's in place at Madrid and Barcelona on a much grander scale. I think it's also used in Australia via the supporters clubs

And do we think a fan could run the club better? Seriously did he borrow against wigan warriors to buy Wigan? the fact is you have no idea like me on what money he spends. The fact you would be happy at letting assets leave for free because your upset they are sold early show how much business acumen you have.

If IL still reads these boards i hope your on his ignore list, talk about moaning for no reason at all.

I would also say we have played much better this season than we did last and thats with all the injuries as well.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:39 pm  

quite astonishing to think that Warriors were being written off at the start of the season, and yet wth a win tonight would go joint top.
I know that the LLS is a little tarnished but given that we had been written off (again) in January, this is a VERY good season give the change over of staff.

I would also say that youngsters improve so quickly with game time (just look at Burgess' progression from debutante last year to nailed on starter this year) that people who feel that Williams and Hampshire will be inferior next season is being a tad gloomy.
I can also see Sarge improving as he thrives under decent coaching (his attack is already pretty sharp, and he looks quite accomplished at FB).

However, I do agree that it would be nice if after this season we got the stability which we have been craving for so long.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:45 pm  

A report in this evenings M.E.N states that Salford are trying to muscle in on Wire signing Daryl Clarke and are also trying to compete with Wire in signing Ashton Simms from the N.Q.Cowboys.
So if successful with Clarke and Simms coupled with the confirmed signings of Michael Dobson, Ben Jones Bishop Keven Locke and Weller Hauraki for next season the elastic in the salary cap will be stretched to the limit.

The article goes on to say that Mark Sneyd's representatives have been speaking with other clubs including Wigan, the M.E,N goes on to say that Wigan possibly have higher profile targets and will not spoil Salfords plans.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:56 pm  

dubairl wrote:

:lol:

And do we think a fan could run the club better? Seriously did he borrow against wigan warriors to buy Wigan? the fact is you have no idea like me on what money he spends. The fact you would be happy at letting assets leave for free because your upset they are sold early show how much business acumen you have.

If IL still reads these boards i hope your on his ignore list, talk about moaning for no reason at all.

I would also say we have played much better this season than we did last and thats with all the injuries as well.

Tell Leeds that assets should be sold. Worked quite well for them keeping hold of guys like Hall and Watkins hasn't it?

This is a sports club and by definition the goal is to put out the very best team you can. Selling your best players doesn't fit that model imo. If you are lucky enough to have one of the worlds best players like Sam you want him on the field and not numbers in the bank. I'd argue that's what the fans would like to see that as well. We went out of the cup to Cas because we've lost guys like Sam imo. Those 0's in the bank certainly didn't comfort many after that game did it.

BTW did you even read what said? The fans own the club but appoint an administrator like a Hogan or a young Lindsey to run the club. The only difference is they are accountable to the fans as they would require re-election.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:28 pm  

stillinthepast wrote:

A report in this evenings M.E.N states that Salford are trying to muscle in on Wire signing Daryl Clarke and are also trying to compete with Wire in signing Ashton Simms from the N.Q.Cowboys.
So if successful with Clarke and Simms coupled with the confirmed signings of Michael Dobson, Ben Jones Bishop Keven Locke and Weller Hauraki for next season the elastic in the salary cap will be stretched to the limit.

The article goes on to say that Mark Sneyd's representatives have been speaking with other clubs including Wigan, the M.E,N goes on to say that Wigan possibly have higher profile targets and will not spoil Salfords plans.

Clarke to wire is signed and sealed.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:43 pm  

On wish fm about a big announcement at half time, rumiur is joel t back from rah rah