Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:15 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

Sorry none of those.

so he doesnt think the vaccine hes claiming he invented works?....

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:18 pm  

Pieman wrote:

so he doesnt think the vaccine hes claiming he invented works?....

He didnt invent it lol

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:19 pm  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

He didnt invent it lol

but he claims to

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:48 pm  

Pieman wrote:

but he claims to

Happy to be proven wrong but I don’t think he has ‘claimed’ to create the vaccine but more work on the tech build to enable it.

Regarding the vaccines not working, again he hasn’t said that, he is saying that the current approach to universally vaccinate everyone in the middle of a pandemic is the wrong approach.

Before you respond with isn’t that the same thing, no it’s not.

Maybe listen to the podcast…

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:01 pm  

Pieman wrote: was it not a reply to you how you asked numerous times about Malone and what misinformation has he spread? Bear in mind you keep going of in different directions so is difficult to answer you in context on my phone as I cant break it down like on a pc, https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-barrington-declaration-an-open-letter-arguing-against-lockdown-policies-and-for-focused-protection/ it explains how it would not work as proven in US republican run states like Wisconsin that tried it and failed miserably No it wasn't, if you look back through your posts you will realise that. So pray tell, what do you not agree with in the Great Barrington Declaration? You must want continued lockdowns (are you really Kier Starmer?) You obviously don't believe that the current strategy has had a significant impact on mental and physical health? You can't see that the inability to get children into the classroom has affected their learning and child abuse has increased significantly. You have clearly not seen how the elderly, especially in care homes, have faced the brunt of this Chinese epidemic and how their families have been broken by the rules that have prevented them from helping, intervening or saying goodbye. You obviously don't believe that herd immunity is a way out of this but that vaccinations are the panacea to all our problems (they were not around when Bubonic Plague or Spanish Flu was prevalent) - you need to learn from history. Can you not see that the causes of mortality are extremely skewed by the desire to constantly focus on writing 'died within 28 days as a result of Covid' on death certificates and as a result of delays in diagnostic and treatment services? The real impact of this disease has yet to be seen but there's none so blind as those who will not see. What I do agree with is that vaccinations will help us get to herd immunity quicker and as a result I am all for the population having them. As for Wisconsin how do you know that it has failed? There is a population of 5.8 million and they have had just over 11 thousand deaths. On the other hand, New York (a Democratic State) has a population of 8.4 million and has recorded 59,000 deaths. Do the maths.

Pieman wrote: was it not a reply to you how you asked numerous times about Malone and what misinformation has he spread? Bear in mind you keep going of in different directions so is difficult to answer you in context on my phone as I cant break it down like on a pc, https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-barrington-declaration-an-open-letter-arguing-against-lockdown-policies-and-for-focused-protection/ it explains how it would not work as proven in US republican run states like Wisconsin that tried it and failed miserably No it wasn't, if you look back through your posts you will realise that. So pray tell, what do you not agree with in the Great Barrington Declaration? You must want continued lockdowns (are you really Kier Starmer?) You obviously don't believe that the current strategy has had a significant impact on mental and physical health? You can't see that the inability to get children into the classroom has affected their learning and child abuse has increased significantly. You have clearly not seen how the elderly, especially in care homes, have faced the brunt of this Chinese epidemic and how their families have been broken by the rules that have prevented them from helping, intervening or saying goodbye. You obviously don't believe that herd immunity is a way out of this but that vaccinations are the panacea to all our problems (they were not around when Bubonic Plague or Spanish Flu was prevalent) - you need to learn from history. Can you not see that the causes of mortality are extremely skewed by the desire to constantly focus on writing 'died within 28 days as a result of Covid' on death certificates and as a result of delays in diagnostic and treatment services? The real impact of this disease has yet to be seen but there's none so blind as those who will not see. What I do agree with is that vaccinations will help us get to herd immunity quicker and as a result I am all for the population having them. As for Wisconsin how do you know that it has failed? There is a population of 5.8 million and they have had just over 11 thousand deaths. On the other hand, New York (a Democratic State) has a population of 8.4 million and has recorded 59,000 deaths. Do the maths.

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:10 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

No it wasn't, if you look back through your posts you will realise that.

So pray tell, what do you not agree with in the Great Barrington Declaration? You must want continued lockdowns (are you really Kier Starmer?) You obviously don't believe that the current strategy has had a significant impact on mental and physical health? You can't see that the inability to get children into the classroom has affected their learning and child abuse has increased significantly. You have clearly not seen how the elderly, especially in care homes, have faced the brunt of this Chinese epidemic and how their families have been broken by the rules that have prevented them from helping, intervening or saying goodbye. You obviously don't believe that herd immunity is a way out of this but that vaccinations are the panacea to all our problems (they were not around when Bubonic Plague or Spanish Flu was prevalent) - you need to learn from history. Can you not see that the causes of mortality are extremely skewed by the desire to constantly focus on writing 'died within 28 days as a result of Covid' on death certificates and as a result of delays in diagnostic and treatment services? The real impact of this disease has yet to be seen but there's none so blind as those who will not see.

What I do agree with is that vaccinations will help us get to herd immunity quicker and as a result I am all for the population having them.

As for Wisconsin how do you know that it has failed? There is a population of 5.8 million and they have had just over 11 thousand deaths. On the other hand, New York (a Democratic State) has a population of 8.4 million and has recorded 59,000 deaths. Do the maths.

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:29 pm  

What is the incentive and to whom for purposely skewing the death rates by writing Covid on each death certificate?

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:36 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

It’s coming to something when I’m longing for threads about people’s sides made up of 2 Wiganers and 1 player from every other superleague side.

I never knew so many expert epidemiologists were based in and around Wigan.

Who’d have thunk it?

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:47 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote: No it wasn't, if you look back through your posts you will realise that. So pray tell, what do you not agree with in the Great Barrington Declaration? You must want continued lockdowns (are you really Kier Starmer?) You obviously don't believe that the current strategy has had a significant impact on mental and physical health? You can't see that the inability to get children into the classroom has affected their learning and child abuse has increased significantly. You have clearly not seen how the elderly, especially in care homes, have faced the brunt of this Chinese epidemic and how their families have been broken by the rules that have prevented them from helping, intervening or saying goodbye. You obviously don't believe that herd immunity is a way out of this but that vaccinations are the panacea to all our problems (they were not around when Bubonic Plague or Spanish Flu was prevalent) - you need to learn from history. Can you not see that the causes of mortality are extremely skewed by the desire to constantly focus on writing 'died within 28 days as a result of Covid' on death certificates and as a result of delays in diagnostic and treatment services? The real impact of this disease has yet to be seen but there's none so blind as those who will not see. What I do agree with is that vaccinations will help us get to herd immunity quicker and as a result I am all for the population having them. As for Wisconsin how do you know that it has failed? There is a population of 5.8 million and they have had just over 11 thousand deaths. On the other hand, New York (a Democratic State) has a population of 8.4 million and has recorded 59,000 deaths. Do the maths. yes it was... I do believe in lockdowns when needed as they work (keep the NHS from in effect closing doors as it was close to doing), I believe that this country has dealt with the pandemic better than the states who used the great barrington decleration method in numerous places, so child abuse has increased how? Because we have children there? Im sure it would have happened anyway and cant be blamed on anyone but the abuser, your right there wasnt a vaccine for these thats why it is still around unlike smallpox which did have a vaccine and was eradicated, was that not a lesson in how to deal with a severe killer? The flu figures must be skewed also as people die every year with it and there isnt even a test just sympoms so is put down as "flu" as ONE of the reason of death (you can have more than one), so check out, ok so ill use a highly republican populated state also and this gives a cases of 4.8m v 8.4 and deaths at 76k v 59k, if you wanted a fairer view v Wisconsin with a lightly density state, as for the great barrington declaration I find it dangerous and by the looks of it was open to be abused..read below https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/09/herd-immunity-letter-signed-fake-experts-dr-johnny-bananas-covid

Sweaty Betty's wrote: No it wasn't, if you look back through your posts you will realise that. So pray tell, what do you not agree with in the Great Barrington Declaration? You must want continued lockdowns (are you really Kier Starmer?) You obviously don't believe that the current strategy has had a significant impact on mental and physical health? You can't see that the inability to get children into the classroom has affected their learning and child abuse has increased significantly. You have clearly not seen how the elderly, especially in care homes, have faced the brunt of this Chinese epidemic and how their families have been broken by the rules that have prevented them from helping, intervening or saying goodbye. You obviously don't believe that herd immunity is a way out of this but that vaccinations are the panacea to all our problems (they were not around when Bubonic Plague or Spanish Flu was prevalent) - you need to learn from history. Can you not see that the causes of mortality are extremely skewed by the desire to constantly focus on writing 'died within 28 days as a result of Covid' on death certificates and as a result of delays in diagnostic and treatment services? The real impact of this disease has yet to be seen but there's none so blind as those who will not see. What I do agree with is that vaccinations will help us get to herd immunity quicker and as a result I am all for the population having them. As for Wisconsin how do you know that it has failed? There is a population of 5.8 million and they have had just over 11 thousand deaths. On the other hand, New York (a Democratic State) has a population of 8.4 million and has recorded 59,000 deaths. Do the maths. yes it was... I do believe in lockdowns when needed as they work (keep the NHS from in effect closing doors as it was close to doing), I believe that this country has dealt with the pandemic better than the states who used the great barrington decleration method in numerous places, so child abuse has increased how? Because we have children there? Im sure it would have happened anyway and cant be blamed on anyone but the abuser, your right there wasnt a vaccine for these thats why it is still around unlike smallpox which did have a vaccine and was eradicated, was that not a lesson in how to deal with a severe killer? The flu figures must be skewed also as people die every year with it and there isnt even a test just sympoms so is put down as "flu" as ONE of the reason of death (you can have more than one), so check out, ok so ill use a highly republican populated state also and this gives a cases of 4.8m v 8.4 and deaths at 76k v 59k, if you wanted a fairer view v Wisconsin with a lightly density state, as for the great barrington declaration I find it dangerous and by the looks of it was open to be abused..read below https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/09/herd-immunity-letter-signed-fake-experts-dr-johnny-bananas-covid

Re: Covid : Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:50 pm  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

Happy to be proven wrong but I don’t think he has ‘claimed’ to create the vaccine but more work on the tech build to enable it.

Regarding the vaccines not working, again he hasn’t said that, he is saying that the current approach to universally vaccinate everyone in the middle of a pandemic is the wrong approach.

Before you respond with isn’t that the same thing, no it’s not.

Maybe listen to the podcast…

cant due it being taken down, from his twitter bio below...

“I literally invented mRNA technology when I was 28,”