Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:26 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Come on, he’s getting one over him playing a series in England with English crowds and English conditions.

Play this series in Aus/NZ on a dry track and with Fifita and Tamalolu playing (probably spelt that wrong) and it could easily be a different story.

In a couple of years time Woolf will be an NRL Head coach, something Wane has coveted for a while so let’s not try and play Billy big bollox

It feels ‘almost’ as though some Saints fans would actually prefer Kristian Woolf to win this series. The offence you guys have taken at Wane calling him out is ridiculous. He has used some usual Woolf whinging to help give his players a mentality of us against them and good on him for it. You’re English, so why it offends you so much is a mystery (well it’s not) You’re saying Wane looks an idiot, which just blows my mind. He’ll be the coach who’ll be sat with a series win and likely a whitewash victory come next week. He’s missing loads of players, has seen more players pull out mid series but he just cracks on with no excuses.

If we want to make it a Wigan and Saints thing, I would say a major difference between the clubs in recent years is one club has a ‘no excuses’ policy and one does not. I think this series has given a real insight in to where that stems from.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:31 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

It feels ‘almost’ as though some Saints fans would actually prefer Kristian Woolf to win this series. The offence you guys have taken at Wane calling him out is ridiculous. He has used some usual Woolf whinging to help give his players a mentality of us against them and good on him for it. You’re English, so why it offends you so much is a mystery (well it’s not) You’re saying Wane looks an idiot, which just blows my mind. He’ll be the coach who’ll be sat with a series win and likely a whitewash victory come next week. He’s missing loads of players, has seen more players pull out mid series but he just cracks on with no excuses.

If we want to make it a Wigan and Saints thing, I would say a major difference between the clubs in recent years is one club has a ‘no excuses’ policy and one does not. I think this series has given a real insight in to where that stems from.

There you go again Billy Big Bollox

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:34 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

It feels ‘almost’ as though some Saints fans would actually prefer Kristian Woolf to win this series. The offence you guys have taken at Wane calling him out is ridiculous. He has used some usual Woolf whinging to help give his players a mentality of us against them and good on him for it. You’re English, so why it offends you so much is a mystery (well it’s not) You’re saying Wane looks an idiot, which just blows my mind. He’ll be the coach who’ll be sat with a series win and likely a whitewash victory come next week. He’s missing loads of players, has seen more players pull out mid series but he just cracks on with no excuses.

If we want to make it a Wigan and Saints thing, I would say a major difference between the clubs in recent years is one club has a ‘no excuses’ policy and one does not. I think this series has given a real insight in to where that stems from.

Sorry but you’ve twisted my words here. At no point have I wanted Tonga to win. I’m English and they are my country.

I’ve explained why I’ve taken exception to Wane’s comments. How am I making it Wigan v Saints when I’ve suggested Peet as a coach?

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:46 pm  

Maybe Wane and Woolf are doing a bit of WWE and trying to sell a few tickets

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:51 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Maybe Wane and Woolf are doing a bit of WWE and trying to sell a few tickets

It’s a fair point and something we don’t do enough in Rugby League. Why not have a dig at each other?! I certainly am looking forward to a dead runner more next week than I would be usually because of all this.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:55 pm  

NickyKiss wrote: It’s a fair point and something we don’t do enough in Rugby League. Why not have a dig at each other?! I certainly am looking forward to a dead runner more next week than I would be usually because of all this. Something Sam Tomkins mentions in this podcast near the end https://youtu.be/xt6FuKarlEc?si=NA-Z-1ulQsCnMsjW

NickyKiss wrote: It’s a fair point and something we don’t do enough in Rugby League. Why not have a dig at each other?! I certainly am looking forward to a dead runner more next week than I would be usually because of all this. Something Sam Tomkins mentions in this podcast near the end https://youtu.be/xt6FuKarlEc?si=NA-Z-1ulQsCnMsjW

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:38 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

You've made 2 mistakes
1, going over there
2, trying to form any logic, sense from anything any of them, particularly that mon writes is pointless, as there's bias, and absolute hatred blinding anything someone sees, the majority on there fit into the latter

The rush to find anything to criticise Wane over is laughable, he's got 2 wins, missing 6/7 of his best players at the start of a new world cup cycle, and make that 8/9 players after Makinson and Knowles pull out with injury.
Hes given chances to youngsters in Lewis/Newman/Ashton/Smith/walker and players like Johnstone/king with Dupree in the squad also (plus Smithies and Thewlis coming in I believe next test).

He gets accused of Wigan bias and yet there's 8 who have Wigan links at most, 3 just because they were born in Wigan and have never played for Wigan, 2 who left in not the best circumstances and 1 who was on loan because his parent club didn't want him (or its fans or Saints fans as were talking about them, yet he's been pretty good in both games).
That leaves 2 players (Farrell and Smith) and all nob head can do is criticise 1 of them laughably and get a sly dig in on Smith who, BTW, has been the most influential and IMO best player over the 2 games.

Woolf had a whinge about the pitch
Woolf had a whinge about the "unevenness" of the ruck speed (which could be interpreted a number of different ways, and I know what I think he was trying do I.e. try and get an advantage in the next test, because he can imply all he wants about the ruck speed and that his players wanted it quicker and ours didn't etc. But the the truth is they blowing out their backsides 2nd half).
His captain gave some kind of statement basically giving no credit to the winners.

Don't be surprised if Wane uses that as motivation
Woolf should be more worried that after the excuses of the 1st test his team were WORSE this week
Theyve been garbage, they've tried bully our pack and got nowhere, good on our lads, give our lads some credit

Yet England fans of their respective team can't wait to pile in on Wane because of their respective bias for their team amongst other reasons.

You are correct on both counts but Redvee is so funny, it makes me smile. It is littered with individuals who know nothing about rugby league which makes it even funnier.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:01 pm  

Jukesays wrote: Something Sam Tomkins mentions in this podcast near the end https://youtu.be/xt6FuKarlEc?si=NA-Z-1ulQsCnMsjW I recall watching that and he’s right. Why do we pussy foot around things? It doesn’t do us any favours. Wane clearly doesn’t think much of Woolf, so why hide it? Especially when he can build a narrative to motivate his team. Woolf has spent the last few years actively trying to pull his players out of working for Wane and England, so why would he be all matey? As I say, I’m looking forward to the 3rd test solely on the basis that this Wane/Woolf stuff is bubbling under the surface. I hope he goes in again during the week.

Jukesays wrote: Something Sam Tomkins mentions in this podcast near the end https://youtu.be/xt6FuKarlEc?si=NA-Z-1ulQsCnMsjW I recall watching that and he’s right. Why do we pussy foot around things? It doesn’t do us any favours. Wane clearly doesn’t think much of Woolf, so why hide it? Especially when he can build a narrative to motivate his team. Woolf has spent the last few years actively trying to pull his players out of working for Wane and England, so why would he be all matey? As I say, I’m looking forward to the 3rd test solely on the basis that this Wane/Woolf stuff is bubbling under the surface. I hope he goes in again during the week.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:13 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Sorry but you’ve twisted my words here. At no point have I wanted Tonga to win. I’m English and they are my country.

I’ve explained why I’ve taken exception to Wane’s comments. How am I making it Wigan v Saints when I’ve suggested Peet as a coach?

Not twisting any words, not even mentioned you when I said ‘some’ Saints fans seem to be actively backing Woolf and Tonga in this series. I just can’t understand why Wane going at Woolf is a problem for any England fan. He’s 2-0 up in the series and that’s what we all want isn’t it?

I’m sick of seeing Wane bagged (other than battering him for his treatment of Farrell yesterday, which was disgraceful) for his time with England. We absolutely made a pigs ear of the WC semi but everyone forgot how good we’d been until that point. We were absolutely outstanding until that semi and played a brand of rugby that was great to watch. He’s won his first proper series now and we’re building. The desperation I see across social media and other platforms to see Wane fall flat on his face is pretty pathetic. I saw a comment before that said ‘he’s only interested in Wigan’…wtf is all that about?! He picks a Wiganer and he’s biased, he leaves one out and he’s resting them for Wigan. He treated a Wigan legend and the countries best second rower like an absolute mug yesterday and no doubt somebody will find a narrative that it was all about doing what’s best for Wigan.

Re: England Secure Test Series Win Over Tonga : Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:23 pm  

Every time England win a game against a Southern hemisphere team whether that be in the WCC, or at test level, we always make excuses for them why they lost. 'the ruck was slow', 'it was raining', 'x players were missing' etc. But the conditions are the same for both teams, and we had players missing, so if the gap was really as wide as we're constantly told it is, then surely, they'd win easily? However, to me, put Williams, Young, and Farnworth into this team on a dry track, we win by 20+ points in both games.