Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:59 am  

Stu M wrote:

The cynic in me wonders if the opinions would be differert if he wasn't leaving next year....

Or even if he was a Wigan lad

There may be some of that but I think the concerns are all real. Maybe what is happening is that people are more willing to call them out because he is leaving (I don’t think the non Wiganer thing comes in to it, I actually think that’s brought goodwill).

I’ve commented plenty of times in the past across various forums that I think there’s a bit too much hype going on.

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:00 am  

Stu M wrote:

The cynic in me wonders if the opinions would be differert if he wasn't leaving next year....

Or even if he was a Wigan lad

It may for some
But I can see what your trying to do, make out that were only saying these things because he's going or because he's not a Wiganner.

Well the same people who may have thought he was a world beater before he had 20 appearances under his belt may think like that but don't make out "All" wigan fans thought that, and are now subsequently bashing him.

He is a young lad who has some very good attributes, and a couple not so good.
He has plenty time to work on his game and will improve I'm sure, but for now IMO that's best from the bench

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:04 am  

Jukesays wrote:

I was afraid when I posted what I did that it could turn into a KPP bashing and that isn't my intention
I'm saying he gas certain aspects to his game that don't suit our current situation.
And as it stands we need solidity on that right side, which he isn't all to blame for but is part of, and Isa can do a better job of for now.
Bateman, whatever people think comparing to the pre 2018 Bateman, gave us that with his hard work and experience and toughness on that side.

KPP can get worked over in that channel, and that adds to some other little areas of weakness (I like Cust but he can get caught on the outside shoulder as an example) and although no one.person is responsible it needs someone who has those attributes to connect them all together and make us thr best version we can be of ourselves.

KPP is like a Mago currently in that he can be a point of difference, someone who could change a game and that's how I'd use him for now.

I don’t think it is KPP bashing, I think it’s just honest feedback. Nobody is saying he’s rubbish and get shut and I think most have him in their best 17 but in a different role to being an 80 minute starter. He’ll be important for us this season and in a role from the bench, I think he can unlock some defences. I just can’t get my head around him getting an England World Cup place as things stood at the time. He’s not at that level yet and I don’t think that helps as it just builds expectation.

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:19 am  

Jukesays wrote:

It may for some

Wasn't that my point?

I never once said "All" Wigan fans (using quotation marks seeing as you did too)

I also don't think its exclusive to Wigan fans. Some Saints fans loved James Bentley. Now he is at Leeds he is a "grub" "was never that good anyway" and is a dirty player yet at Saints "every successful team needs a player like that"

Stop looking for arguments when there isn't one to be had

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:23 am  

Pretty sure he wouldn't have got the England shirt if Percival had been available, just showed the lack of depth at centre in the UK game that he got a run there, this season for us he's hopefully last resort in the three quarters.
Bags of potential but he really needs to start running his weight to make that 2nd row spot his for the rest of the season

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:38 am  

Stu M wrote:

Wasn't that my point?

I never once said "All" Wigan fans (using quotation marks seeing as you did too)

I also don't think its exclusive to Wigan fans. Some Saints fans loved James Bentley. Now he is at Leeds he is a "grub" "was never that good anyway" and is a dirty player yet at Saints "every successful team needs a player like that"

Stop looking for arguments when there isn't one to be had

This is what you originally posted

Stu M wrote:

Egg Chasing wrote:

There was a thread on here, possibly before he had even played a competitive game, saying that he was world class.

How times change.

The cynic in me wonders if the opinions would be differert if he wasn't leaving next year....

Or even if he was a Wigan lad

I tried to explain that "Some" will as like anything in life people have all kinds of opinions on all kind of subjects.

However

The cynic in you is wrong, as it wouldn’t be any different if he wasn't leaving or if he was a Wiganner

Because "All" Wigan fans don't think like that I.e. that he's a world beater and were only saying he's not because he's leaving etc.

Not trying to create an argument with yourself, I'm trying to say that your statement is wrong and the cynic in you is wrong because not "All" Wigan fans think the same.
Some may be seeing it for that reason (although jonh, myself, NK etc) aren't as their views have been pretty consistant we're KPP is concerned

Let's not divert the subject from the original view points (that others will disagree with).

KPP doesn't offer certain things we need (and at the start of the year I said may be the thing that separates Wigan/Saints When they hand the prizes out) .
We lack a bit of "Steel"/Mongrel/attitude/Solidity etc. without Bateman on that right side, Isa is our best option currently at providing that (whether he is a great option is another debate, currently imo he is our best option, although I'd like to consider Ellis at 1e and Smithies 2nd row maybe).

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:05 pm  

Work plans have changed so i will now be able to drive across for the game. Where is the best place to park?

I used to park across across from the ground but i don't think that's open anymore.

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:29 pm  

Let's not forget KPP has been plying his trade (mostly) at centre since coming on the scene. Must be a shock moving full time into the forwards.

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:34 pm  

Lord Byron wrote:

Work plans have changed so i will now be able to drive across for the game. Where is the best place to park?

I used to park across across from the ground but i don't think that's open anymore.

If you get a response outside of this topic, then could you let me know please? I'm contemplating doing the same.

Re: Castleford (a) : Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:25 pm  

Not bashing KPP by the way, I'm a fan of his.

Was more pointing out how quick we are as a fanbase to praise and then subsequently criticise players.