Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:42 pm  

My opinion on Shaun is..

First season, his Wigan team looked just a mirror of Maguires, which is expected as they had been well drilled and had the same top pro's in the team, the double was a continuation of Maguires ethos by Shaun.

Second Season, Started really well, looked solid, played some great rugby but started to come up short in big games, by the latter part of the season i was really sick of him, constant gobbing off, and just acting like an idiot in the press..etc.

This Year, Start of the year i was against him and wanted rid, but as the year progressed and he stopped making an idiot of himself in the press, the team started playing well at home, and he showed that he is a good coach in his own right.

We can't let him go right now as he is learning all the time and i feel he can get Wigan over the line in the future, but we can't wait forever.

The people who say, "We are setup for the future" may reflect if George Williams is wearing a Rooster shirt in two years time and Manfredi has a Souths one on.

But Shaun for me, there's no one better for the job right now.

Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:52 pm  

Ziggy Stardust wrote:

My opinion on Shaun is..

First season, his Wigan team looked just a mirror of Maguires, which is expected as they had been well drilled and had the same top pro's in the team, the double was a continuation of Maguires ethos by Shaun.

Second Season, Started really well, looked solid, played some great rugby but started to come up short in big games, by the latter part of the season i was really sick of him, constant gobbing off, and just acting like an idiot in the press..etc.

This Year, Start of the year i was against him and wanted rid, but as the year progressed and he stopped making an idiot of himself in the press, the team started playing well at home, and he showed that he is a good coach in his own right.

We can't let him go right now as he is learning all the time and i feel he can get Wigan over the line in the future, but we can't wait forever.

The people who say, "We are setup for the future" may reflect if George Williams is wearing a Rooster shirt in two years time and Manfredi has a Souths one on.

But Shaun for me, there's no one better for the job right now.

This was his 4th year mate.

In the first year (2012) we were better then at any time under Maguire for the majority of the season but came up short in a couple of semi's.

2013- The double. We didn't play as well over the course of the year as we did in 2012 but we got the job done when it mattered.

2014- up and down year but came good at the end. We'd have won the GF with 13 men.

2015- A really frustrating year IMO but we found ourselves again at the back end. Felt we were the better side in the GF but didn't get it over the line. I do think our finish to the season will prove very worthwhile in the long run. I thought we'd lost our belief earlier in the year and had no swagger but that's been back recently. We look aggressive again which is massive for us.

We'll grow over the coming seasons. We must do a better job at keeping the side together though. That's up to Lenagan to sort out though!

Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:55 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

This was his 4th year mate.

In the first year (2012) we were better then at any time under Maguire for the majority of the season but came up short in a couple of semi's.

2013- The double. We didn't play as well over the course of the year as we did in 2012 but we got the job done when it mattered.

2014- up and down year but came good at the end. We'd have won the GF with 13 men.

2015- A really frustrating year IMO but we found ourselves again at the back end. Felt we were the better side in the GF but didn't get it over the line. I do think our finish to the season will prove very worthwhile in the long run. I thought we'd lost our belief earlier in the year and had no swagger but that's been back recently. We look aggressive again which is massive for us.

We'll grow over the coming seasons. We must do a better job at keeping the side together though. That's up to Lenagan to sort out though!

4th, god, i'm going Mad.

But yes, i think he will come good, i hope he does because i'd hate to lose him from any aspect of Wigan RL..

Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:56 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

On the one hand you think we should win at least one trophy per year. And yet you protest that you don't think we should win everything. As there are only two trophies each year worth winning, you have previously argued that the LLS is meaningless, your logic is amiss.

You do know what "benchmark" means don't you?

Back to type is see with the condescending posts.

How is my logic flawed? People just can't make statements up to pad out their flawed arguments - not once have I said that we should win everything every year. History proves that's almost impossible to achieve I.e this is the first SL treble in history. Double seasons are also a rarity, so why would I demand something that I personally think is unachievable?

Benchmark - a standard or point of reference against which things may be compared.

Since 2007 Leeds have bagged a trophy every other year. That is the point of reference or standard to compare ourselves to. It's not arrogance or wishful thinking to argue we should be winning a trophy every other year as that's what another side is doing! Since 2010 I'd argue we've had a team equal to that of Leeds (better in fact in some seasons) so we haven't achieved what we need to.

Not hard to understand that if you want to be the best then you have to measure yourself against something. What hard facts are you measuring success on? I've set my stall out all season (for the reasons above) that says 2 years without a trophy isn't good enough. That's my measure of success - again what is yours?

Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:01 pm  

Ziggy Stardust wrote:

4th, god, i'm going Mad.

But yes, i think he will come good, i hope he does because i'd hate to lose him from any aspect of Wigan RL..

The tough calls could make or break him. He needs to evolve the side and make sure we don't stand still.

I thought there were some positive signs late on in the year on that score with Charnley being left out and Gildart being kept in the side. The easy calls would have been the opposite of that.

Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:07 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

The tough calls could make or break him. He needs to evolve the side and make sure we don't stand still.

I thought there were some positive signs late on in the year on that score with Charnley being left out and Gildart being kept in the side. The easy calls would have been the opposite of that.

Gildart looks top already, it's those calls that warm me again. The MM love in is a bit too much though. he ain't that special but Shaun is loyal and i suppose that's why some players love him and others not under the umbrella feel a little out of place.

Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:34 pm  

Ziggy Stardust wrote:

Gildart looks top already, it's those calls that warm me again. The MM love in is a bit too much though. he ain't that special but Shaun is loyal and i suppose that's why some players love him and others not under the umbrella feel a little out of place.

He's been off form Micky Mac buy you know, even that has made me think tough calls are being made. Wane loves him to pieces but he's not running him in to the ground and seems to trust Sam Powell to do a job also.

It'll be interesting to see how Gildart develops and if anyone else can have a break out year like that.

Re: Shaun Wane : Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:37 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Who said that we expect us to win everything? That same line gets thrown around by every happy clapping Wane supporter our there.

To put a simple point on it Leeds seem to win at least one trophy every other year. That for me is the benchmark that Wigan, as another big club, have to be matching.

Leeds are not the only other side capable of winning trophies though, there are at least 2 others. Wigan, Leeds, Saints and Wire. Yes we should strive to match that but we're just not quite there yet. Leeds have had the core of their side in place for years! Wigan haven't had such a luxury. Wane has had a harder job with top players leaving, key partnerships changing every year...

The notion of a 'happy clapping wane supporter' is quite laughable considering everyone's quite justified in being happy with Wane. I can't think of anybody who'd do a better job.
You can say 'there's always an excuse' as much as you like but you can't avoid the fact that if it weren't for One punch we would not be trophyless for 2 years running. Shaun Wane didn't throw the punch and please don't come back with Wane apparently ordering the players to commit murder on the pitch.

Argue as much as you like but it's absolutely embarrassing that any fans at this club want to get rid of Wane.

Re: Shaun Wane : Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:35 am  

From the outside I'd say he's doing a better job than his detractors might suggest. Even though the record shows two GF losses, they were close and could have gone either way. The reality is you simply can't expect to win the comp every year.

Comparisons with Powell taking over Leeds are hugely unfair on Powell - he got thrown in at the deep end when Dean Lance left under a cloud, and had only just finished playing. Wane has had a long time to earn his coaching stripes, and ought to be a lot better than Powell was back then.

The only thing that concerns me - as an RL fan in general - is the problem Wigan seem to have with retaining players you develop. Its not a loss to the sport with Burgess in the NRL, but the fact that he's another player who really hasn't achieved that much but thinks things are brighter somewhere else. Someone like George Williams ought to want to be Wigan's stand off for the rest of his career, not think of it as a stepping stone to something better. In any event that's not just down to Wane.

Re: Shaun Wane : Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:17 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Back to type is see with the condescending posts.

How is my logic flawed? People just can't make statements up to pad out their flawed arguments - not once have I said that we should win everything every year. History proves that's almost impossible to achieve I.e this is the first SL treble in history. Double seasons are also a rarity, so why would I demand something that I personally think is unachievable?

Benchmark - a standard or point of reference against which things may be compared.

Since 2007 Leeds have bagged a trophy every other year. That is the point of reference or standard to compare ourselves to. It's not arrogance or wishful thinking to argue we should be winning a trophy every other year as that's what another side is doing! Since 2010 I'd argue we've had a team equal to that of Leeds (better in fact in some seasons) so we haven't achieved what we need to.

Not hard to understand that if you want to be the best then you have to measure yourself against something. What hard facts are you measuring success on? I've set my stall out all season (for the reasons above) that says 2 years without a trophy isn't good enough. That's my measure of success - again what is yours?

I think we've been here before. Sorry about the condescension.

I think it should be enough to compete for the top prizes, as luck plays a part in the outcome to a degree that you can't control. Shaun Wane can't be culpable for Silverwood/Bentham not seeing a knock on. That was the difference between the two teams. It was a close game that came down to refereeing interpretation. Why should SW carry the can for that? I'm not sure he can be blamed for the Ben Flower incident either.

I'm not happy losing finals, who is? But I have to accept that a coach can only control certain things and therefore shouldn't lose his job over it. I'm expecting the treble next year. I'm sure SW is too. Anything less will be a disappointment. But unless we get knocked out of the cup early and don't make the top 4, he sees out his contract for me.

We both want the same for Wigan. I think changing the coach will make us go backwards and undo much of Waneys good work. We are in a strong position right now and favourites for everything next season.