Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 9:41 am  

MattyB wrote:

Surely Lomax's pectoral injury is only minor, I mean nobody plays with one that's torn these days. Liam Farrell suffered one in 2019 and was out for over four months. Thornley was out even longer back in 2014.

If Lomax is suffering with only a minor pectoral injury there's a massive chance he could aggravate it even further during game time, surely best to rest it now for a few weeks to see if it heals. However I'm sure the Saints medical department know what they're doing.

It’s a torn bicep not pectoral.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 9:43 am  

MattyB wrote:

Surely Lomax's pectoral injury is only minor, I mean nobody plays with one that's torn these days. Liam Farrell suffered one in 2019 and was out for over four months. Thornley was out even longer back in 2014.

If Lomax is suffering with only a minor pectoral injury there's a massive chance he could aggravate it even further during game time, surely best to rest it now for a few weeks to see if it heals. However I'm sure the Saints medical department know what they're doing.

It’s his bicep mate. He’s ruptured it and it sounds similar to Kane Linnett. He played at the weekend as well, lasted 20 minutes and did more damage to it and has no choice but to get the op now. Maybe the Lomax one isn’t as serious but he didn’t look comfortable. Saints attack never really blows teams apart from all over the field anyway but it’s going to be clunky for as long as they need to keep protecting Lomax by shuffling things around.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 9:48 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

It’s his bicep mate. He’s ruptured it and it sounds similar to Kane Linnett. He played at the weekend as well, lasted 20 minutes and did more damage to it and has no choice but to get the op now. Maybe the Lomax one isn’t as serious but he didn’t look comfortable. Saints attack never really blows teams apart from all over the field anyway but it’s going to be clunky for as long as they need to keep protecting Lomax by shuffling things around.

I'm no medical expert but from what Woolf said, all the muscles around it are intact and strong so he has less chance of making it worse. I think there is a possibility that it will naturally reattach itself however IMO we are messing with his health here and he should get it fixed ASAP even if he is out for months.

I agree with your final point, I'm just hoping that Bell can improve this with a good run of games. He's a very good player and as I say someone that Wigan looked at very closely last year too.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 9:53 am  

Stu M wrote:

It’s a torn bicep not pectoral.

Just had a conversation with someone who's just said bicep. Oops. Still a potential major injury like.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 9:55 am  

Stu M wrote:

I'm no medical expert but from what Woolf said, all the muscles around it are intact and strong so he has less chance of making it worse. I think there is a possibility that it will naturally reattach itself however IMO we are messing with his health here and he should get it fixed ASAP even if he is out for months.

I agree with your final point, I'm just hoping that Bell can improve this with a good run of games. He's a very good player and as I say someone that Wigan looked at very closely last year too.

Woolf's not playing with it though!!!! It is shear madness especially with the World Cup coming up. The lad will be having painkilling injections to play, that cannot be good for his long-term health. Mr Woolf, where is your duty of care now, is what I would be asking rather than trying to justifying his actions.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 10:04 am  

Woolf is ruthless in the way Michael Maguire was. I laughed last week in the build up to the semi when Saints fans were saying Lomax must be fine if he’d been named in the squad as Woolf is so ‘honest and straight up’ He named Grace in the squad so we could all play a guessing game. They’re now admitting Grace won’t be back for another couple of weeks. We won’t get any honesty on the lack of Saints overseas players involved in the mid season international either.

I’ve no issue with how he goes about his business, he’s selfish and looks after Saints and Saints only but I did chuckle at those lines.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 11:22 am  

It's madness playing Lomax and a decision I believe they'll regret. Worse still, it's one that England's world cup hopes will suffer for. Conflict of interest from the Tongan coach anyone?

Stu, what's your opinion on Havard not getting in the Saints team ahead of Lees or LMS?

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 11:37 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

It's madness playing Lomax and a decision I believe they'll regret. Worse still, it's one that England's world cup hopes will suffer for. Conflict of interest from the Tongan coach anyone?

Stu, what's your opinion on Havard not getting in the Saints team ahead of Lees or LMS?

I like him. I've waxed lyrical on him on here as being the nearest thing I've seen to Luke Thompson in terms of engine, footwork etc. I think he will be NRL bound though. I'd have him before Lees and LMS in a squad.

Byrne has come on leaps and bounds for you too. I know he really suffered with Covid and struggled with it for a long time afterwards but he seems to be getting some form now.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 11:40 am  

From what I'm hearing though Harvey Hill could be even better.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Thu May 12, 2022 11:50 am  

Stu M wrote:

I like him. I've waxed lyrical on him on here as being the nearest thing I've seen to Luke Thompson in terms of engine, footwork etc. I think he will be NRL bound though. I'd have him before Lees and LMS in a squad.

Byrne has come on leaps and bounds for you too. I know he really suffered with Covid and struggled with it for a long time afterwards but he seems to be getting some form now.

Byrne has probably been our most consistent prop this year. He really seems to be relishing doing the tough stuff. It was noticeable that he'd been tasked with keeping Walmsley quiet in that first stint and it worked really well.

It seems to be a foregone conclusion that Havard will end up in the NRL unfortunately. I just hope he stays another 2 or 3 years before considering the move, both for our sake and his. The comparison with Thompson is a good one. He could go over now and probably hold his own but with a couple more years development he could go across and take it by storm (no pun intended!).

There are a few forwards who look the business coming through the ranks at Wigan currently. Hill being one of them. Academy to first team is always a bit of an unknown but if the majority make the transition we're looking at a very strong pack going forward.